What race were the moors?

[Showbiz]

You can’t say Arabs were not part of this they have history of doing this stuff and lots of Arabic words have been borrowed in Spain and Europe black black west Africans were probably part of it

 

[Halimak]

All of the black descriptions is from the 18000s so they could claim that moors were nothing but black savages in their words not mine

No it wasn't. Many of the descriptions was actually from the 1500s.

 

[HanWER]

All of the black descriptions is from the 18000s so they could claim that moors were nothing but black savages in their words not mine

Nonsense this quotes were from 900 not 1800
Regardless there were definetely some blackmoors otherwise it doesnt make sense

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Europeans who saw them in the flesh presented them as black and drew them as such. Even famous plays like Othello presents the Moors as black.

Why is that?

Clearly a good percentage of them were black.

Refer back to my previous post. It was all just propaganda to make them look even more foreign.

90% of the Moorish Muslim army were ethnic Moors/Berbers only a small minority of blacks & arabs participated.

 

[Ayubi]

The Moors were Ethnic Berbers just like the Berbers of Morocco and Algeria today, they were not Black or Negroid

 

[Halimak]

Refer back to my previous post. It was all just propaganda to make them look even more foreign.

90% of the Moorish Muslim army were ethnic Moors/Berbers only a small minority of blacks & arabs participated.

Sources?

Because if it was just propaganda, they would have presented the Ottomans as being dark skin as well. The Ottomans were seen as heathen 'Mohammedans' as well, which they feared even more. I'm not saying the Moors were black, but a good percentage clearly were.

Also, your forgetting in the 1500s which is when many of these paintings and plays are from, they saw them in the flesh as Queen Elizabeth invited them to court.

 

[Advokaten]

Sources?

Because if it was just propaganda, they would have presented the Ottomans as being dark skin as well. The Ottomans were seen as heathen 'Mohammedans' as well, which they feared even more. I'm not saying the Moors were black, but a good percentage clearly were.

Also, your forgetting in the 1500s which is when many of these paintings and plays are from, they saw them in the flesh as Queen Elizabeth invited them to court.

Ottomans are not from africa and it would not make any sense

 

[Juke]

Your first 3 pictures aren't statues of actual people

I think Moors were black but people claim they were Arabs.
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These are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackamoor_(decorative_arts)

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This is an artist depiction of King Gaspar, one of the three magi who visited Jesus Christ when he was born.

 

[madaxweyne]

Sources?

Because if it was just propaganda, they would have presented the Ottomans as being dark skin as well. The Ottomans were seen as heathen 'Mohammedans' as well, which they feared even more. I'm not saying the Moors were black, but a good percentage clearly were.

Also, your forgetting in the 1500s which is when many of these paintings and plays are from, they saw them in the flesh as Queen Elizabeth invited them to court.

yes it was propoganda they even depicted saladin as black europeans did it a lot to depict thier enemies in a negetive way mostly muslims

this is a picture of a crusader captured by saladin

 

[Halimak]

Ottomans are not from africa and it would not make any sense

It doesn't make sense for them to present people the same colour if not lighter than Turks as black looking.

Also, they didn't present all of them like that. The Moorish leader Queen Elizabeth invited to court was painted to look like a normal Berber.

 

[Juke]

It doesn't make sense for them to present people the same colour if not lighter than Turks as black looking.

Also, they didn't present all of them like that. The Moorish leader Queen Elizabeth invited to court was painted to look like a normal Berber.

Moors had black slave soldiers.

 

[Advokaten]

It doesn't make sense for them to present people the same colour if not lighter than Turks as black looking.

Also, they didn't present all of them like that. The Moorish leader Queen Elizabeth invited to court was painted to look like a normal Berber.

Berbers are in africa so it makes more sense blacks were thought to be ignoratn evil savages at the time so they depicted them as blacks because of that

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Sources?

Because if it was just propaganda, they would have presented the Ottomans as being dark skin as well. The Ottomans were seen as heathen 'Mohammedans' as well, which they feared even more. I'm not saying the Moors were black, but a good percentage clearly were.

Also, your forgetting in the 1500s which is when many of these paintings and plays are from, they saw them in the flesh as Queen Elizabeth invited them to court.

I'm not an encyclopedia sxb. Do your own research & you'll realise the Moors were Berbers.

Btw they were indeed invited to Elizabeth's court, here's the depiction of Morroco's ambassodor to England, he's clearly a Berber/North African not a Black person:

It's clear you know next to nothing about the Moorish/Berber people and you're falling for Western/Spanish propaganda against them.

 

[Ayubi]

The only ones claiming the Moors were Black Aka Negroid are Afrocentric revisionists who want to claim other people's history. The Moors were Berbers, this is an undisputed historical fact.

 

[Halimak]

Moors had black slave soldiers.

That makes sense.

 

[Al Muslim]

Mixed population, the majority if not a very large part of them was black African. Famous personalities from them were known to be black and depicted as such. When vikings sent an expedition to the moorish coast (the only expedition of its kind) they described the inhabitants they encountered as black.

 

[Halimak]

The only ones claiming the Moors were Black AKA Negroid are Afrocentric revisionists who want to claim other people's history. The Moors were Berbers, this is an undisputed historical fact.

Nah it isn't. Its western propaganda that stretches back all the way to the renaissance. Even Shakespeare plays presents Moors as black, along with other classical Renaissance texts and plays.

 

[madaxweyne]

Sources?

Because if it was just propaganda, they would have presented the Ottomans as being dark skin as well. The Ottomans were seen as heathen 'Mohammedans' as well, which they feared even more. I'm not saying the Moors were black, but a good percentage clearly were.

Also, your forgetting in the 1500s which is when many of these paintings and plays are from, they saw them in the flesh as Queen Elizabeth invited them to court.

imagine getting fooled by medival propoganda

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

imagine getting fooled by medival propoganda

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Medieval Spaniards were trolls wallah. So many gullible folks fell for their bs.

 

[Halimak]

Berbers are in africa so it makes more sense blacks were thought to be ignoratn evil savages at the time so they depicted them as blacks because of that

Racism in the Renaissance was rather different to the racism that of the 1700s. They didn't quiet develop their theory of inherent black inferiority then.