what was being somali in the early 2010s in uk or Europe like for you?

[Leonardo7373]

particularly for genz folks

 

[yeawhynot]

well here in scandinavia the early 2010s was when the older gen z started to become teenagers and that coincided with rise in somalis in gangs and overrepresentation in crime.

 

[wonyluvr]

particularly for genz folks

I was a baby

 

[Sigmundd]

I never grew up with Somalis in the 2010s but if we are talking the 00s then I would say we were more united little to no ajanabis butting in or knowing our business. It was a much better time compared to now where younger generation of Somalis are much more divided, there's little unity and ajanabis are everywhere in our business. Oh how the mighty has fallen.

 

[yeawhynot]

I never grew up with Somalis in the 2010s but if we are talking the 00s then I would say we were more united little to no ajanabis butting in or knowing our business. It was a much better time compared to now where younger generation of Somalis are much more divided, there's little unity and ajanabis are everywhere in our business. Oh how the mighty has fallen.

yea thats another thing. back then no one even heard of somalis other than on the newschannelonce in a while

 

[Sigmundd]

yea thats another thing. back then no one even heard of somalis other than on the newschannelonce in a while

Yeah our community was not known. Even our dugsi only had somalis. somali boys and girls weren't awkward together like they are now. Our conversations flowed well. I really miss those days.

 

[Idilinaa]

well here in scandinavia the early 2010s was when the older gen z started to become teenagers and that coincided with rise in somalis in gangs and overrepresentation in crime.

Sweden does not equal the whole of Scandinavia. They are not operational monolith countries. So gangs are mostly an issue concentrated there for policy reasons.

Norway doesn't really have Swedish gang culture or struggles with rampant gang crime, high rates of crime or gun crime, knifing etc similarly with Denmark although they fear the Swedish exportation of it.

The only real organized gangs you will see in Norway is mostly norwegian Biker gangs that move cross nationally that have existed for decades.

https://ocindex.net/assets/downloads/2023/english/ocindex_profile_norway_2023.pdf

From papers i have read online and on reddit, Norway has had a seperate immigration policy than Sweden and a different housing market than them. Sweden lump assylum seekers/low income immigrants into the same areas that eventually form into ghettos, whereas norway seperate asysylum/refugees that arrive into different muncipalities and cities and they are assigned to and have no say on choosing where to live.

The housing markets are also different . Sweden has housing for the poor but Norway doesn't. So there is no real segregated concentration of poor ethnic people living in the same areas which is what creates the hotbed of gang and crime activity.

More is explained under this reddit thread:

I also think the question @Leonardo7373 is posing is too broad and given to generalizations. As Somalis lived experiences might differ from country to country and even differ within the same country depending on where you live within it, but also the same goes for crime and employment rates its not constant through out.. A Somali who lives in a different city, neighborhood, urban V countryside is going to have different outcomes and experiences.

Lets continue with Norway as an example to demonstrate this. A Somali that lives outside the bad and crowded urban areas of Oslo is underrepresented in crime and in municipalities like Hammerfest for example they have very high employment rates

Whats the difference? the policies, neighborhood quality, urbanism and labour market etc . It probably is the same for the UK, Sweden or other European countries

 

[Spongebob]

particularly for genz folks

Honestly in the UK I can't say people knew Somalis at all, so we were just put in the same basket with Madhows.

 

[yeawhynot]

Sweden does not equal the whole of Scandinavia. They are not operational monolith countries. So gangs are mostly an issue concentrated there for policy reasons.


I also think the question @Leonardo7373 is posing is too broad and given to generalizations. As Somalis lived experiences might differ from country to country and even differ within the same country depending on where you live within it, but also the same goes for crime and employment rates its not constant through out.. A Somali who lives in a different city, neighborhood, urban V countryside is going to have different outcomes and experiences.

Lets continue with Norway as an example to demonstrate this. A Somali that lives outside the bad and crowded urban areas of Oslo is underrepresented in crime and in municipalities like Hammerfest for example they have very high employment rates
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Whats the difference? the policies, neighborhood quality, urbanism and labour market etc . It probably is the same for the UK, Sweden or other European countries

im from denmark and i can tell you over here were unanimously the most hated on ethnicity by the media in regards to crime and employment rates. we might not be having gunblazing gangbangers in norway and denmark but our crimerates are still top of the list alongside other muslim immigrant groups.

 

[wheel]

im from denmark and i can tell you over here were unanimously the most hated on ethnicity by the media in regards to crime and employment rates. we might not be having gunblazing gangbangers in norway and denmark but our crimerates are still top of the list alongside other muslim immigrant groups.

Makes no sense importing hundreds of thousands of foreigners whom they share little with and then demonizing them.

 

[Kisame]

Sweden does not equal the whole of Scandinavia. They are not operational monolith countries. So gangs are mostly an issue concentrated there for policy reasons.


I also think the question @Leonardo7373 is posing is too broad and given to generalizations. As Somalis lived experiences might differ from country to country and even differ within the same country depending on where you live within it, but also the same goes for crime and employment rates its not constant through out.. A Somali who lives in a different city, neighborhood, urban V countryside is going to have different outcomes and experiences.

Lets continue with Norway as an example to demonstrate this. A Somali that lives outside the bad and crowded urban areas of Oslo is underrepresented in crime and in municipalities like Hammerfest for example they have very high employment rates
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Whats the difference? the policies, neighborhood quality, urbanism and labour market etc . It probably is the same for the UK, Sweden or other European countries

Would most of our criminals be somalis raised in the inner cities???

 

[Kisame]

im from denmark and i can tell you over here were unanimously the most hated on ethnicity by the media in regards to crime and employment rates. we might not be having gunblazing gangbangers in norway and denmark but our crimerates are still top of the list alongside other muslim immigrant groups.

Makes no sense importing hundreds of thousands of foreigners whom they share little with and then demonizing them.

Scandinavia seems like a paradise for poor refugees. They have the best welfare programs in the west. Free college, free healthcare and etc. I'm honestly surprised we don't hear about Scandinavian Somali success stories that often. Everyone talks about Minnesota but what about Sweden, Denmark, or Norway???

By default they should be the most educated somalis in the diaspora.

 

[Aseer]

I dont think I was sentient back then during those times.

 

[gasara]

You need to ask the Millennials. Cuz the kids born in 2000 were just 10.