whats up with lamagooles looking down on farming?

[Grant]

There's farming, and then there's farming.

http://www.fao.org/somalia/programmes-and-projects/agriculture/en/

It seems to me that lamagoodles would not mind farming if they had access to modern farming equipment at a commercial level They would all have titles like "Engr" and be part of something seen as a new profession.

It's the old subsistence "yambo" agriculture that is so physically demanding it is seen as dishonorable. You also have to know what you're doing and when you're doing it.

FYI: A one hectare plot is a large field for one man to farm on his own with a hoe. A family will have several such, in areas with different water retention, so they can plant regardless of the weather/flood conditions. The total holding may be several or more hectares, but it is not all farmed at the same time, although several different areas may be. Gelay and regular diger and adzuki beans are for eating. (Together they make protein, so a lot of meat in the diet is not needed..) With a little luck there will be semsem in Hagaa to sell.

I successfully farmed hay and cattle with horses (the old, labor-intensive way), with my grandfather in Utah, and I actually had a yambo at one point; but I am built more like a geeljiri myself and using it was too demanding for me. For anyone interested, Catherine Besteman does a good job explaining Somali subsistence farming in her book, Unraveling Somalia.

https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/unraveling-somalia

 

[World]

Northwestern Somalis are farmers though.

In Southern Somalia, farming is much different however. You cannot use draft animals to pull a plough(which Somalis in the northwest do) due to tsetse fly borne trypanosomiasis - a lethal parasite that kills off cattle and horses.

 

[Grant]

Northwestern Somalis are farmers though.

In Southern Somalia, farming is much different however. You cannot use draft animals to pull a plough(which Somalis in the northwest do) due to tsetse fly borne trypanosomiasis - a lethal parasite that kills off cattle and horses.

Tsetse and trypanosomiasis do not affect tractors, combines, etc., which is what I was thinking of.

 

[World]

Tsetse and trypanosomiasis do not affect tractors, combines, etc., which is what I was thinking of.

Tractors are very expensive though, upwards of $10,000. Average Somalis cannot afford to buy one.

 

[Apollo]

Tractors are very expensive though, upwards of $10,000. Average Somalis cannot afford to buy one.

Second hand equipment from Asia is often used in Somalia.

Most cars in Somalia for instance are Toyotas.

 

[Grant]

Tractors are very expensive though, upwards of $10,000. Average Somalis cannot afford to buy one.

One tractor can work many hectares. Clans or cooperatives could afford that, and then hire an "Engr" to operate it.

 

[Apollo]

I once played the game ''farm simulator'' for the lulz and learned quite a bit about modern farming from it.

It takes about a million USD to run a Western-style industrialized farm.

 

[Grant]

I once played the game ''farm simulator'' for the lulz and learned quite a bit about modern farming from it.

It takes about a million USD to run a Western-style farm.

If you are including land value, the cost is way over that for most successful operations, many of which are still going under anyway. A huge percentage of American farmland is now foreign owned.

A clan or cooperative effort in Somalia would not have to be nearly as big to begin, but could grow.

 

[A_A]

Lamanoodles??? I’ve been gone for too long

 

[DR OSMAN]

It's not just lamagodle or whatever that means. Even whites despised farming they got slaves to do it. Arabs despised it and got slaves to do it. Now they just use mexicans or sri lankans in the mid-east to do it. It's a labor intensive and yields little economic reward, plus it's not long lasting asset, produces rot in a few days. Farming is a poor man economy sxb.

Real white people own ranches with LIVESTOCK in texas, that's how white people roll. They leave the farming side to 3rd world people since it's 3rd world industry. U never get rich from farming. The amount you lose in equipment costs, needing electricity for large machines, and then only yielding results every 3 months based on harvest.

You do realize these guys see no results for months? that's eating into your savings and by the time u do see harvest the final product is cheap like 20 cents each, by the time u pay ur bills to survive, you can see why farmers are always poorer in every society in the world NOT just Somalia. Poor guys wallahi, it's ok if your dead broke and join it but joining it when there is other luducrative industries just shows your lack of wisdom and business mind.

 

[DR OSMAN]

In-fact in Australia farming is so despised and considered LOW SKILL industry, they have no choice but to recruit seasonal workers from the islands. No Australian will work as a farmer, so it's sad to see Somalis enjoy this poor man's industry wallahi, you will just get laffed at by white folks and called that dumb african.

Wages are determined by your final product. If your final product is HIGH like TV/SMART PHONE/LAPTOP the wages will be higher for workers. But if the final product is banana which is the most expensive commodity in farming, the wages drop because the final product is cheap so the wage become cheap. I am suprised people are actually talking about farming as a business here lol

 

[Grant]

It's not just lamagodle or whatever that means. Even whites despised farming they got slaves to do it. Arabs despised it and got slaves to do it. Now they just use mexicans or sri lankans in the mid-east to do it. It's a labor intensive and yields little economic reward, plus it's not long lasting asset, produces rot in a few days. Farming is a poor man economy sxb.

Real white people own ranches with LIVESTOCK in texas, that's how white people roll. They leave the farming side to 3rd world people since it's 3rd world industry. U never get rich from farming. The amount you lose in equipment costs, needing electricity for large machines, and then only yielding results every 3 months based on harvest.

You do realize these guys see no results for months? that's eating into your savings and by the time u do see harvest the final product is cheap like 20 cents each, by the time u pay ur bills to survive, you can see why farmers are always poorer in every society in the world NOT just Somalia. Poor guys wallahi, it's ok if your dead broke and join it but joining it when there is other luducrative industries just shows your lack of wisdom and business mind.

In-fact in Australia farming is so despised and considered LOW SKILL industry, they have no choice but to recruit seasonal workers from the islands. No Australian will work as a farmer, so it's sad to see Somalis enjoy this poor man's industry wallahi, you will just get laffed at by white folks and called that dumb african.

Wages are determined by your final product. If your final product is HIGH like TV/SMART PHONE/LAPTOP the wages will be higher for workers. But if the final product is banana which is the most expensive commodity in farming, the wages drop because the final product is cheap so the wage become cheap. I am suprised people are actually talking about farming as a business here lol

You are confusing farming with agricultural labor.

Successful farmers are millionaires and billionaires. These families don't do field labor.

https://millionairemob.com/millionaire-farmers/

The Natufian expansion was created by the invention of farming. The Bantu expansion was caused by the acquisition of new crops and agricultural techniques.

Modern agriculture, if you can keep the costs under control, is a whole new ballgame.

 

[DR OSMAN]

You are confusing farming with agricultural labor.

Successful farmers are millionaires and billionaires. These families don't do field labor.

https://millionairemob.com/millionaire-farmers/

The Natufian expansion was created by the invention of farming. The Bantu expansion was caused by the acquisition of new crops and agricultural techniques.

Modern agriculture, if you can keep the costs under control, is a whole new ballgame.

The only rich farmers are the corporates and they make millions cuz they dumped millions into it. In real growth terms it's a pennies game. Your confusing revenue with profit. Revenue includes what u spent and what your overall return was. Profit is minus expenses and the gap in between. Trust me it's pennies game. U won't see rich farmers at all in any country. Per capita the poorest ppl in the bunch. I got 200k livestock. That's single family unit in PL. Compare that to the south. Bananas looooool. No wonder they walk into PL with rough clothes and poor their occupation and land is worthless because there is no services around rural areas or jobs. You can buy land for pennies.

The only reason corporates are in the farming game is to keep prices under control not because it makes them rich. Your very confused guy bro. Farmers are penniless in Somalia and All Africa. Any economy that is based on farming is usually very poor. EVEN China was untill it switched to manufacturing expensive final products. There is not much u can do with 1 banana costing 20 cents. There is no economic miracle you can achieve from that. No amount of volume of production will change your final product is 20 cents. You just waste time/effort into a measly product when a japanese is producing a car that is worth 50k, your producing a banana that takes 3 months to harvest.

We need to get rid of these slave minded people from siyad era about farming, it is the worst industry and we must stay completely away from it. The only important thing in farming is the ANIMALS and that's livestock, that the most expensive final product, not the SOIL that is given to SLAVES to work on cause it's dirt cheap and they remain poor forever

 

[DR OSMAN]

There was one industry that poor economic planning in PL. It was that salt factory in Hafun. The colonials wanted us to work on final product so they can make us equal to southerners. Salt vs Banana woooohoooooooooo but it didn't work. PL continue in high return trades like frankincense, fishery, and livestock and will remain to do so. The question is about our economic vision for the cities who will need to reflect at least 3-5 times more per household then a rural family like any country dynamic where the rural areas are poorer then the urban areas.

Till we settle on this matter and develop a policy around where we seek investment, we are in big trouble. I have opened up a number of threads regarding this urgent matter that needs to be settled on. Like we settled on the need for infrastructure and every govt is completing his portion of it.

 

[DR OSMAN]

We Somalis are naturally lazy, we entered a high lucrative trade the livestock game. We started with a camel which is priced at 1k per camel locally and possibly more overseas. Our lowest denominator is the goat which is fetching anywhere from 100-300 dollars each depending on condition. We were blessed to start our RICH in life, we just fucked up with our urban planning due to the communist era trying to make all somalis north/south EQUAL in wealth. We didn't adopt a capitalist method where each to his own devices. Because before u settle a city, people usually come from the rural areas. A puntlander would sell half his livestock and buy a few properties in the city of hamar, where-as the southerners would live in tin-sheds cuz their occupation was low.

As communism preaches 'nationality' over 'economic' class, we had to view these PEASANTS in the south as our LONG LOST BROTHERS and unite with them and not view them as poor. It even mentions this @Grant in our anthem about the 'taag darane taageera weligine' which means support your poorer brother on the basis of Somali nationalism.

Nationalism and Communism were two disastrous policies that hurt Somalis as a whole. It allowed the lower class to rise while the upper class literally just PAID FOR IT. They had to adopt them into homes, give them food, pay for their schooling, etc. They got so many free rides cuz of that nationalistic BULLSHIT.

Where-as in Somali PURE nomadic culture, there is no 'free card' your either 'laandheere or laangaab' they won't help you if your laangaab. My father was from laangaab mother meaning she only had him and no other child, so the other kids from different mothers were like WOOOHOOOO u will get the least inheritance from our father since your only a single child a LAANGAAB. My grandfather was quite smart and sent my father off to the city and said 'rural living' won't work out for you since your 'bah' is only you and your brothers will 'team up against u' and life will be miserable for you in the rural areas. He invested into him to go to mogadishu and make a new life in the city. That's how laangaab clans inside MIGHTY MJ clans are treated. I am talking about Osman mahmoud mind u. Laandheer and Laangaab isn't based on TRIBE it's based on your mother and how many boys she has in osman mahmoud culture, it's called the 'bah' thing.

 

[Ras]

Can't teach common sense to a group on the brink of retardation.

Somalis also look down on eating fish despite having an unbelievable coastline and would rather starve every few years in order to keep their "honour"

Fishing means you have to live near the coast where your settlement is known to all nearby raiding clans.

Probably some had the great idea to fish for a living but they all went extinct.

 

[Grant]

Fishing means you have to live near the coast where your settlement is known to all nearby raiding clans.

Probably some had the great idea to fish for a living but they all went extinct.

Reer Manyo is still with us.

https://www.hiiraan.com/2005/oct/op/Ali_Faqi301005.html

Ehret lists them as one of the very early inhabitants of Somalia.

 

[MI]

Reer Manyo is still with us.

https://www.hiiraan.com/2005/oct/op/Ali_Faqi301005.html

Ehret lists them as one of the very early inhabitants of Somalia.

Grant, when are you gonna turn up in one of these marches and woo the oldhead ladies with your superior knowledge of Somalia?