When Aden was Somali

[Himmler]

This is the 7th city yemeni city that somalis founded or conquered

Stop we wuzzing it’s embarrassing we have actual history we don’t have to lie/exaggerate

 

[Haragwaafi]

It's not very clear why but if i were to guess i'd say they were very weak at that time. Even after yemenis reconquered yemen they only ruled briefly only to be a vassal state to the sassanians who would later on assign persian governors over yemen up until the advent of islam.

Somalis were found all over yemen some of whom had their own settlements though we can't really say when they began to to do so. You already know of somalis living in aden in the 13th century somali were also found in mocha and luhayyah but did you also know that they also settled al-zabid? There was a report in the 15th century of a neighbourhood called xafaad al-zayla that belonged to a people that originally came from the city of zayla on the somali coast.

I can't find the original source but did you also know that there is an old valley north of san'a called the valley of the somal.

Perhaps somalis were the greeks of the indian ocean settling every where from yemeni and eritrean coast on the red sea all the way south on the swahili coast in sofala. Somali were also found in Kerala and the Maldives too.

There's no such valley called As-Somal in San'aa where did you get that from??

Also Aden was and is a Yemeni town and never belonged to Somalis

 

[Himmler]

آل بربرا واليكسوم

The people of axum and the people of berbera

If this is true then it leads credence to the
idea that Axum held parts of Somalia.

Why was Southern Arabia so brutally attacked by Horners? Axum and Barbaria both attacked them around similar times and settled in with scholarly clans that stayed for centuries lol.

Medieval Muslim scholars from the Horn in Yemen and Red Sea.

https://journals.openedition.org/remmm/19536 Though I am puzzled why the author of this article thinks that that the Muslim dominions in the Horn were apart of Abyssinia, as clearly the Sultanates and the outside world didn’t think so, I think he’s stretching the term “Abyssinia” onto the whole...

www.somalispot.com

Axum attacked them because they were persecuting Christians at the time, they massacred a ton of Axumites and other Orthodox Christians living within Himyar.

I highly doubt “Barbaria” actually led a large scale appreciable independent attack on Yemen as there’s simply no real evidence for it but there is evidence for Axumites using soldiers/mercenaries from Somalia which is the most likely scenario.

 

[ibrahym]

If this is true then it leads credence to the
idea that Axum held parts of Somalia.



Axum attacked them because they were persecuting Christians at the time, they massacred a ton of Axumites and other Orthodox Christians living within Himyar.

I highly doubt “Barbaria” actually led a large scale appreciable independent attack on Yemen as there’s simply no real evidence for it but there is evidence for Axumites using soldiers/mercenaries from Somalia which is the most likely scenario.

poem (Al-Barbara and Al-Alexum), the original Arabic text: """آل بربرا واليكسوم""
The letter al waw "واو" here differentiates between the two peoples in that they both have their own governments or states

 

[Garaad diinle]

If this is true then it leads credence to the
idea that Axum held parts of Somalia.

Well that's a big stretch if i ever seen one. Ibn al-mujawir only mentions berbers from zayla' meaning somalis and credit them for the construction of the cisterns. Axum isn't mentioned in the story at all.

There's no such valley called As-Somal in San'aa where did you get that from??

Also Aden was and is a Yemeni town and never belonged to Somalis

Look i'm not here to argue with people who deny writing sources okay. If you wanna do that do it somewhere else.

 

[Haragwaafi]

Look i'm not here to argue with people who deny writing sources okay. If you wanna do that do it somewhere else.

Then point me out where the so called Wadi As-Somal is located at or if there's a current map that shows the place exists ?? as yourself "I can't find the original source" Reminder you aren't the only Arabic speaker in here

 

[Garaad diinle]

Then point me out where the so called Wadi As-Somal is located at or if there's a current map that shows the place exists ?? as yourself "I can't find the original source" Reminder you aren't the only Arabic speaker in here

Honestly sometimes it feels like i'm speaking to the void. If you're also a speaker of arabic how about you search for this bit of information yourself? What's your excuse? Do i need to search this for you? Perhaps i can also help you with writing your posts too. I know your type very well how about you bother somebody else?

Now for everyone else i still don't recall exactly where i initially found this but i did a quick search and found this. It assumes that the name "somalis" came from a valley called the valley of the somal found nearby san'a where some arabs made their way to somalia and used the name of the valley as their nisba while in reality it's the other way around.

 

[Nin123]

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Where can you show the text?

 

[Garaad Awal]

The Comoros islanders were Indonesians indho yar
They already did the impossible by crossing the whole indian ocean and settling at Madagascar
There's evidence that they were the Comoros islanders at the time

Settling empty islands versus conquering a Yemen are two different things.There is zero credible historical evidence for such an event and no archeological evidence for this event either.Sounds like historical fiction

 

[killerxsmoke]

Where can you show the text?

Nah am not sharing it, shit was too fucked up too read. The writer was pretty creative ngl

 

[Garaad diinle]

An interesting map with names such as as-sumal and al-zayla'i credit to @Emir of Zayla.

Towns Named after Somalis

• As Sumal Bani Ayub
• Bayt Az Zaylah
• Saylah
• As Saylah as Sufla
• Az Zayli'i
• Az Zaylah al 'Ulya
• Bayt Zayli'
• Mujrib as Sumali
• As Sumal

Named after Ethiopians

• Al Khabsiha ( Al Habashi)
• Sabkhat al Habasha

The influence Arabia had on the Horn went both ways not just one. Next, I’ll be going for how Horners culturally influenced Arabs. I’ll leave y’all with a challenge, is their any towns or cities founded after Arabs in the Horn?

 

[Haragwaafi]

Honestly sometimes it feels like i'm speaking to the void. If you're also a speaker of arabic how about you search for this bit of information yourself? What's your excuse? Do i need to search this for you? Perhaps i can also help you with writing your posts too. I know your type very well how about you bother somebody else?

Now for everyone else i still don't recall exactly where i initially found this but i did a quick search and found this. It assumes that the name "somalis" came from a valley called the valley of the somal found nearby san'a where some arabs made their way to somalia and used the name of the valley as their nisba while in reality it's the other way around.

I did searched it up and nothing come back nor any Yemeni spoke about a place near Sana'a that has our name except this book authored by a Saudi while there's places in Yemen and Saudi Arabia named after the Ahabash that are well known among the locals.

 

[Garaad diinle]

Perhaps this might satisfy your highness inquiry.

A place north west of san'a.

Mind you this is all found with a quick search. I'm not an expert in knowing at this nor do i claim to know the names of yemeni urban/rural settlement either mention on maps such as google or obscure and only known by the locals.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Perhaps this might satisfy your highness inquiry.

A place north west of san'a.

Mind you this is all found with a quick search. I'm not an expert in knowing at this nor do i claim to know the names of yemeni urban/rural settlement either mention on maps such as google or obscure and only known by the locals.

Instead of looking for cities/towns with nisbas like Al-Somali or something similar, I wonder what would pop up if you search up Somali words for city/towns?

 

[Himmler]

poem (Al-Barbara and Al-Alexum), the original Arabic text: """آل بربرا واليكسوم""
The letter al waw "واو" here differentiates between the two peoples in that they both have their own governments or states

Axum would conquer areas and generally let them be as long as they had paid tribute, AFAIK the only place we know of where Axum placed one of there own people as the rulers of the newly conquered land was Himyar.

Also I never even said Axum actually held parts of Somalia all I ever said was this MAY support that theory.

 

[ibrahym]

Well that's a big stretch if i ever seen one. Ibn al-mujawir only mentions berbers from zayla' meaning somalis and credit them for the construction of the cisterns. Axum isn't mentioned in the story at all.

Wait a minute, brothers, saraif "الصرائف" means huts

 

[Garaad diinle]

Instead of looking for cities/towns with nisbas like Al-Somali or something similar, I wonder what would pop up if you search up Somali words for city/towns?

Interesting. I'll try and look for it but no guaranties, i'd imagine most somalis who settled yemen in ancient time would've integrated into their community by speaking arabic and claiming arab lineage to get some prestige and renown with little if any of their culture being visible other than their nisba.

 

[HabarSteven12]

Aden was never ruled, conquered, or occupied by any Somali. Wallahi, you Somali hoteps kill me. Barbar is not specific to Somalis. Barbar is used to describe a geographical region. Anytime Somali hoteps hear the word barbar, they automatically assume it is speaking about Somalis. There is no mention of any Somali clan ruiling or conquering the historic city of Aden.

 

[Al Adnani]

Aden was never ruled, conquered, or occupied by any Somali. Wallahi, you Somali hoteps kill me. Barbar is not specific to Somalis. Barbar is used to describe a geographical region. Anytime Somali hoteps hear the word barbar, they automatically assume it is speaking about Somalis. There is no mention of any Somali clan ruiling or conquering the historic city of Aden.

As a Somali from Aden you are correct we never ruled Aden however many of us have been settled there for centuries

 

[Zak12]

Aden was never ruled, conquered, or occupied by any Somali. Wallahi, you Somali hoteps kill me. Barbar is not specific to Somalis. Barbar is used to describe a geographical region. Anytime Somali hoteps hear the word barbar, they automatically assume it is speaking about Somalis. There is no mention of any Somali clan ruiling or conquering the historic city of Aden.

What could Barbar mean then if it isn't Somali? I'm genuinely curious on your thoughts.