Where did Somalis get this vernacular architecture?

[Shimbiris]

I've noticed over the years that historical and even some current Reer Miyi, Reer Tuulo and Reer Magaal Somalis used huts that look like this:



In essence rectangular in build with triangular or semicircular roofs. They were ubiquitous among Somalis too. Everywhere from Saylac in Woqooyi to around the Banaadir in Koonfur. I've lost the videos but I've seen them being used even recently in places as far afield from one another like Cal Madow and near Kismayo. What's weird about them is that they're not found anywhere else in the Horn as far as I know. Just completely different from any Ethiopian vernacular architecture like shown here and here (used to have a whole picture book displaying most of the ethnic groups but lost it).

You'd think maybe Arabia because I have seen dwellings similar to these in the Gulf's history but the Arabians Somalis were mainly influenced by, by the looks of it, are Yemenis and Yemeni huts, as far as I know, look nothing like that:

yemeni huts - Google Search

Anyone have any info on this? If they are a unique Somali development or an influence from somewhere and if so where with sources?

 

[backgroundISneeded]

It is not a influence from somewhere else. Every natives adopt to their lands and somalis Guris are just product of Somali-lands. As you can see Somali guri is made of grasses, trees ( especially galool and sogsog) which is easily found in the somali peninsula.


just look the material of somali Guri.

 

[Juliet]

tf are those slums?

 

[Hamzza]

I've noticed over the years that historical and even some current Reer Miyi, Reer Tuulo and Reer Magaal Somalis used huts that look like this:



In essence rectangular in build with triangular or semicircular roofs. They were ubiquitous among Somalis too. Everywhere from Saylac in Woqooyi to around the Banaadir in Koonfur. I've lost the videos but I've seen them being used even recently in places as far afield from one another like Cal Madow and near Kismayo. What's weird about them is that they're not found anywhere else in the Horn as far as I know. Just completely different from any Ethiopian vernacular architecture like shown here and here (used to have a whole picture book displaying most of the ethnic groups but lost it).

You'd think maybe Arabia because I have seen dwellings similar to these in the Gulf's history but the Arabians Somalis were mainly influenced by, by the looks of it, are Yemenis and Yemeni huts, as far as I know, look nothing like that:

yemeni huts - Google Search

Anyone have any info on this? If they are a unique Somali development or an influence from somewhere and if so where with sources?

According to Stuhlmann and Hornell, these types of rectangular Huts were introduced into Somalia by the Indonesians. They are called Cariish in Af Soomaali, also, they are quite widespread in all of Africa not unique to Somalia at all.

Cariish huts in Tooxin, a village 12kms south of Guardafui(2016)​

 

[Shimbiris]

According to Stuhlmann and Hornell, these types of rectangular Huts were introduced into Somalia by the Indonesians. They are called Cariish in Af Soomaali, also, they are quite widespread in all of Africa not unique to Somalia at all.View attachment 247273View attachment 247274

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Cariish huts in Tooxin, a village 12kms south of Guardafui(2016)​

I don't know about Indonesians, would have to really look into that but yes, they're called Cariish. I'd always heard that name for huts but only learned since making the thread it referred to these types in particular. They were common in Arabia too. They used to use them in the Khaleej en masse. In fact, I think the word itself is an Arabic loan.

 

[ZBR]

According to Stuhlmann and Hornell, these types of rectangular Huts were introduced into Somalia by the Indonesians. They are called Cariish in Af Soomaali, also, they are quite widespread in all of Africa not unique to Somalia at all.View attachment 247273View attachment 247274

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Cariish huts in Tooxin, a village 12kms south of Guardafui(2016)​

Malya-Indonesians are the worlds experts on wood homes, the have a extensive history in woodworking from boats to homes, even the British bungalow style that’s common places in America suburb’s is from their “Rumah adat “

Timber structures have so much benefit, being less labor intensive they’re easier to build in rural areas than mud brick or cement

I’m of the belief Indonesia Malaysia and America have such fecund population because of the ease to build homes, now in America it’s constrained by high interest rates but house were build so easily in the frontier

 

[ZBR]

Also interesting enough the prophets first construction of his home and masjid Nabawi was a structure with a thatched roof of palm leaves, supported by palm stalks and no mud brick. Only later were mud bricks added

 

[Lebron James]

This shit ain’t no architecture

 

[Somalib]

This shit ain’t no architecture

Exactly! We have ancient cities where Greeks, Arabs, Egyptians, Chinese came to trade with us and this guy would rather focus on slums.

 

[Dima&Damo]

This shit ain’t no architecture

 

[ZBR]

Exactly! We have ancient cities where Greeks, Arabs, Egyptians, Chinese came to trade with us and this guy would rather focus on slums.

Romans had Casa Romulus , the thatched hut of Romulus was preserved on the Palatine Hill; in the very heart of Rome. To remind Romans, of their primitive and simple origins

Also this is ontologically a thatched home

 

[Garaad diinle]

According to my family somalis have four typs of bulding that being aqal somali, carish,
metirkoba and sar. The carish is build using animal dung. Innovative and easy to construct using
tree branches, it's porous breezy and doesn't hold on to heat suitable for tropical climate. It might have even been mentioned in the 13th century describing zaylaci houses in aden.

One interesting building i've seen is this building constructed with no screws.

 

[ZBR]

Wanting something to "last forever" is just cringe human arrogance and hubris.

Trying to leave a permanent mark on history is just another symptom of materialist soulless society.

The very concept of architecture itself and "muh aesthetic beauty" is a valuing of the ephemeral human triumphs over nature.

I used to love looking at the old Roman ruins and the grand architecture, but now it all just fills me with disgust because I know the true meaning of it all.

Wood is humble but practical, mud brick or cement are useful for industry or storages for flammable good such as food etc but without moderation lead to excessiveness

 

[Hamzza]

According to my family somalis have four typs of bulding that being aqal somali, carish,
metirkoba and sar. The carish is build using animal dung. Innovative and easy to construct using
tree branches, it's porous breezy and doesn't hold on to heat suitable for tropical climate. It might have even been mentioned in the 13th century describing zaylaci houses in aden.

One interesting building i've seen is this building constructed with no screws.

Where is Tafferi Kattama?

I am aware of 4 types of Somali houses:

1. Aqal: which is a mat hut or tent.
2. Mundulo: typical African hut usually built in the inter-riverine areas of Somalia.
3. Cariish: the one we are discussing now, common in the coastal villages but also found in some localities in the interior.
4. Stone houses in the coastal towns.

Mundullo in Afgooye​

 

[ZBR]

To understand the psychology of it. Wanting something to last forever is what comes out of a godless society.

The logic behind it is
>god doesn't exist
>there is no eternal life
>there is only the material world and our lives are short
>ergo, the only way to give meaning to our lives and purpose to our existence is to build gaudy monuments celebrating our hubris

 

[Dima&Damo]

That's Xabashi building sxb.

I am aware of 4 types of Somali houses:

1. Aqal: which is a mat hut or tent.
2. Mundulo: typical African hut usually built in the inter-riverine areas of Somalia.
3. Cariish: the one we are discussing now, common in the coastal villages but also found in some localities in the interior.
4. Stone houses in the coastal towns.

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Mundullo in Afgooye​

Where this people foreinger i'm certain somalis were naked before 1899

 

[Hamzza]

Where this people foreinger i'm certain somalis were naked before 1899

Wtf are you talking about? Somalis were not naked before 1899. Where did you get that information from?

The people who built these ruined towns were most probably Somalis.

 

[Somalib]

Where this people foreinger i'm certain somalis were naked before 1899

Stupid ass hell. We have cities older than your ancestors

 

[Garaad diinle]

Where is Tafferi Kattama?

I am aware of 4 types of Somali houses:

1. Aqal: which is a mat hut or tent.
2. Mundulo: typical African hut usually built in the inter-riverine areas of Somalia.
3. Cariish: the one we are discussing now, common in the coastal villages but also found in some localities in the interior.
4. Stone houses in the coastal towns.

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Mundullo in Afgooye​

I'm not sure about that it says that the building is found in the ogaden furthermore the building is also drawn in a german account of a somali village. I think tafferi is in aw bare.

Mitirkubbe is made out of alwaax while sar is a building made out of stone. I know about mundul but i always called it a round carish.

 

[Saciid]

Where is Tafferi Kattama?

I am aware of 4 types of Somali houses:

1. Aqal: which is a mat hut or tent.
2. Mundulo: typical African hut usually built in the inter-riverine areas of Somalia.
3. Cariish: the one we are discussing now, common in the coastal villages but also found in some localities in the interior.
4. Stone houses in the coastal towns.

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Mundullo in Afgooye​

I could be wrong, but think I remember searching for it and finding it close to the colonial border where OGs live