Why are deni and madobe labeled traitors?

[Warwaaqsame]

Because farmaajo is the president, he has the authority to make deals with foreign governments, where Madobe and Deni don't.

 

[FBIsomalia]

Because farmaajo is the president, he has the authority to make deals with foreign governments, where Madobe and Deni don't.

Country constitution its federal not centeral.

 

[Warwaaqsame]

Country constitution its federal not centeral.

States don't have the authority to make deals with other countries.
States are meant to provide services to their people and fight for the rights of the people their represent in the capital.
States have no business in military, foreign policy, currency

 

[SPMLegend]

States don't have the authority to make deals with other countries.
States are meant to provide services to their people and fight for the rights of the people their represent in the capital.
States have no business in military, foreign policy, currency

we saw what the Federal Gov Aka Villa wardhiigley has done with the Military and currency in which they’ve used to wage political and economic war against certain member states. It’s time the country moved on to confederation where these important institutions are not placed in the hands of tyrants but rather shared equally with all Somali stakeholders.

 

[FBIsomalia]

States don't have the authority to make deals with other countries.
States are meant to provide services to their people and fight for the rights of the people their represent in the capital.
States have no business in military, foreign policy, currency

You said it by yourself and I quote" no business in military, foreign policy, currency". Did you see PL did any of those. The answer is No. But we have the right to sign business contracts with foreign companies.

So why xamar educational minster concern on PL eduction certification. If its state right?

Xarmaajo doesn't know or not applying what is written in Dasteer. This the dilemma we face every day.

 

[celidheere]

Because they’re some random dickheads pulling the country about without any official mandate. The president of Somalia can do whatever the hell he wants just like the president of Syria and the president of the USA. Our country is a mess because of people like Madoobe and Deni

 

[SPMLegend]

Because they’re some random dickheads pulling the country about without any official mandate. The president of Somalia can do whatever the hell he wants just like the president of Syria and the president of the USA. Our country is a mess because of people like Madoobe and Deni

The president of Somalia can do whatever the hell he wants is that right?

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Because they’re some random dickheads pulling the country about without any official mandate. The president of Somalia can do whatever the hell he wants just like the president of Syria and the president of the USA. Our country is a mess because of people like Madoobe and Deni

No Farmajo cannot do whatever he likes.He should obey the constitution if not get the f*ck out of Villa Ugandishu.

You want to blame the social evils of ungovernable Xamar to Deni or Madhoobe?

Xamar is not even under his control, Shabaab tax the ports bombs explode killing civilians.

He cant step out of Villa ugandishu gates without Ugandan escort.


He cant even control the tribal militias in xamar nor control the Hormud cartel in Xamar who even forcing exhumation of dead bodies to their new allocated area.


A failure always blame others.

If Failmajo had stabilised Xamar then we can talk about Deni iyo Madhoobe.

Just look how Failmajo appoints ex warlord like qoor qoor and Umar filish and also an illiterate goat herder made governor of Gedo.

 

[TekNiKo]

As long as rogue characters backed by foreign muscle like UAE and Kenya exist Somalia shall never see peace.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

As long as rogue characters backed by foreign muscle like UAE and Kenya exist Somalia shall never see peace.

UAE supports Ethiopia it recently stabilised its currency.
Farmajo has substantial wealth in Kenya.

So who is the rough character?
I think its reer dalaal.

 

[Jakob96]

All the clowns from hargeisa to kismayo are traitors that's the facts none serve the people yet low iq somalis support them for clan reasons

 

[GemState]

It isn't hypocrisy, the president and government of Somalia represent everyone, you can't go around making back deals with other countries without coming to an agreement with the president.

I get that, but until we finalize the constitution, you can't be surprised people are going to do their own thing

You said it by yourself and I quote" no business in military, foreign policy, currency". Did you see PL did any of those. The answer is No. But we have the right to sign business contracts with foreign companies.

So why xamar educational minster concern on PL eduction certification. If its state right?

Xarmaajo doesn't know or not applying what is written in Dasteer. This the dilemma we face every day.

When the dastuur is finalized, foreign relations/education will come under the FGS.

 

[Mozart]

I get that, but until we finalize the constitution, you can't be surprised people are going to do their own thing

When the dastuur is finalized, foreign relations/education will come under the FGS.

Why would education come under the FGS? In every nation where federalism is their system of governance, education falls under state responsibility .

 

[GemState]

Why would education come under the FGS? In every nation where federalism is their system of governance, education falls under state responsibility .

That's what is written in the provisional constitution, if there's an issue with it it should be modified.

 

[GEEL-XAABSADE]

As long as rogue characters backed by foreign muscle like UAE and Kenya exist Somalia shall never see peace.

I agree but i think equally as long as we have a president who thinks he can rule a country as he wants not on laws, we will not see peace. It is really that simple, make laws, then make everyone obey those laws whether rich or poor, president or farmer, man or woman. It is easy.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Traitor to who? Deni represents the PL people interests and will continue to do so. The opinions of foreigners doesn't concern us.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Why are deni and madobe labeled traitors for their close ties to uae and kenya, respectively but farmajo isnt called out for his close ties to Ethiopia? No derailing please just give your opinions respectfully. My answer is that the majority of somali shacab think the president can do whatever he wants even if it is the very thing they hate when others do it. It comes from a place of ignorance and that’s why i am very pessimistic about somalia.

Because Harti and Absame believe in federalism and want protection from potential abuses after what Siad barre did to Ogaden in kismayo in the 80s and in afmadow and rest of jubaland and what he did to Mj in Puntland in the 70s and 80s

also its not the culture of Absame or Harti to shout really loud and create nose on social media as a culture they do more actions, less talk, more planning and less beefing and boasting, they also do long term goals and do not give up easily,


in addition, Kablalx are very confident and do not shyt to please others, marehan does not know when day a powerful hawiye will no longer need him as can be dicarded easily, where has Kablalax as a nature prefer to rule rather than be lead by other,s its culture, they love power and are very confident in their own leadership, other small clans will die for famrjao as small clans can be easily lead and thus mislead,

watch marehan as they boast and beat their chest and hawiye, but kablalax never does that as a culture, expect more action and planning from them rather than talking, we do not talk, we persevere until we achieve our goals,

in addition, marehan is hawiye politically, he has became the main darood agent for hawiye, its how he survives, and the real war and beef in somalia is centralisation which hawiye wants as they want to dominate or federalism, which kablalax needs to fend of potential abuse of power and and thus limit the powers of a central state to curb any potential abuse

lasly, kablalax is used to federalism, they have old sultans, marehan and hawiye started political history in 1960 and do not have former kingdoms and limited government that kablalax has had for centuries

hawiye and marehan are like communist states, very heavy state control, and Kablalax is very demcratic and people usualy have had more freedom from their Kings,

limited governments and federalism in the nature of the Ogaden/Kablalax race , kablalax have strong limitations against their kings

marehan and hawiye love abusive heavy top down governments, they are communistic

the Ogaden sultan forced ahmed madoobe to actually fall in love with federalism after Ogaden Sultan in Jubaland and Ogaden elders talk some reality to him in 2012

White traveller observations of Jubaland Ogaden Sultans in late 1800s

Even as late as 1895, the political structure of the Ogaden could be described as, a limited monarchy, composed of a Sultan with his council of sheiks or chieftains of clans, and bears a resemblance to that of the Sovereign and nobles of early British history. The wealthy lords hold the offices of Prime Minister, Chief Judge, Commander in Chief and so forth by reason of the strength of their following and their own social position. The tenure of their offices, land and property generally is to a great extent feudal.

Sources:

https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/29105/1/10731200.pdf

THE PASTORAL TRIBES OF NORTHERN KENYA 1800 - 1916 b y Edmund Romilly Turton

 

[Ace2180]

It’s hypocrisy at its finest, to scream eathio and Qatar are our friends and the uae/ Kenya are the enemy.

He should have just excluded all those countries above from Somalia and start a new page.

Sxb Courageous individuals no longer exist in Somali politics, just a bunch of fullayal

 

[celidheere]

The president of Somalia can do whatever the hell he wants is that right? View attachment 138491

Yes

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Yes

aren't you Celi dheere the Mx sub clan that is 100% AS?