Why are Madhibaans hated?

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Al Dhoobe

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There's no proper consensus when it comes to this stuff and numbers are exaggerated for various reasons(representation,aid,etc)
 
There's no proper consensus when it comes to this stuff and numbers are exaggerated for various reasons(representation,aid,etc)

Daami neighborhood is quite large from what Ive seen and everyone there is Madhibaan so it's believable. They are in the Northeast of the city from what I recall.
 

AceofSom

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Its a reflection of the insecurities of larger Somali qabils. The fairy tales of how they came to be 'midgan' is arguably the dumbest story I have ever heard. It makes no sense at all.
 

Mckenzie

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They are a mix of clans descending from the main clans who were simply outcasted and banished from their communities.
 

Hatredfree

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Madhibaan and Yibro weren't hunter gatherers, they were and still are artisan communities who intermarry. I think they started the discrimination because they were probably wealthier due to their skills but that it backfired once other Somalis became more powerful and wealthier.

You're confusing Madhiban with "Tumaal". They're two separate groups, Tumaal are artisan people but Madhiban were always hunter-gatherer people. Somalis called hunter-gatherer people Bon/midgaan because Somalis were nomads.

You cannot mistake this two each were marked with different name. Tumaal = artisan, Madhiban/yibro /sagaro dabato=hunter-gatherer.
 

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You're confusing Madhiban with "Tumaal". They're two separate groups, Tumaal are artisan people but Madhiban were always hunter-gatherer people. Somalis called hunter-gatherer people Bon/midgaan because Somalis were nomads.

You cannot mistake this two each were marked with different name. Tumaal = artisan, Madhiban/yibro /sagaro dabato=hunter-gatherer.

Actually the Yibir are artisans who are well known for their daggers. Madhibaan also have communities who make a variety of things. It's not straight forward as name.
 

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Actually the Yibir are artisans who are well known for their daggers. Madhibaan also have communities who make a variety of things. It's not straight forward as name.


lol I 'm telling you're confusing Tumaal" for - Yibir and Madhiban.

Yibro are called yaxar or sagaro dabato.
 

Hubble

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lol I 'm telling you're confusing Tumaal" for - Yibir and Madhiban.

Yibro are called yaxar or sagaro dabato.

There's a documentary about Yibir and Madhibaan and a Yibir man says that they learn crafts from their father and always have work. On Wikipedia it says they perform menial and specialised tasks. It also says that they make sallis for prayer. If they hunt animals it's because dadka don't pay them enough for their work but that doesn't mean they don't do skilled work.
 

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There's a documentary about Yibir and Madhibaan and a Yibir man says that they learn crafts from their father and always have work. On Wikipedia it says they perform menial and specialised tasks. It also says that they make sallis for prayer. If they hunt animals it's because dadka don't pay them enough for their work but that doesn't mean they don't do skilled work.


See fella you're talking about present day when the so called all outcast clans assimilated with one another, culture diffusion. They're all same today. But my reference is to the older hunter-gatherer clans Madhiban and Yibro.
 

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See fella you're talking about present day when the so called all outcast clans assimilated with one another, culture diffusion. They're all same today. But my reference is to the older hunter-gatherer clans Madhiban and Yibro.

I still don't know about that. They were outcasted so people won't attribute skills to them or a respectable history.
 
http://beeshadireed.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-history-of-midgaan-taariikhda.html

The history of Midgaan. They are a remnant of the people of the land of Punt, conquered in the 12th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Punt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhiban

"In 1890 Élisée Reclus, in his extensive work "The Earth and its Inhabitants: AFRICA" (Vol. IV, South and East Africa) described the Madhiban (Midgan) as follows: In still greater contempt are held the Midgans, called also Rami, that is to say "Archers," who are universally regarded as the lowest of the low. They worship trees and snakes, and eat all the prohibited food, such as fish, fowl, eggs, hares, and gazelles. They are also daring hunters, fearlessly attacking the lion and the elephant, whom they pierce with their poisoned arrows. Like the Yebirs, the Midgans also practise medicine, and have the reputation of being extremely clever charlatans. According to the Somali legends, the lower castes are the issue of crossings between Abyssinian women and maleficent genii, while the Midgans are of still more degraded origin, their ancestors having been the slaves of these Abyssinian women.[5]"
 
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