Why Do Some Muslims Deny Where Allah is?

@AlIshaaqi I never claimed to be anything dude and that's not relevant at all

Ibn Taymiyyah said that Allah has a physical body (wal iyadubillah).

This is all I need to know to throw this entire aqeedah in the bin.

You can't claim that he didn't liken Allah to his creation when he said that HE IS A PHYSICAL BEING wal iyadubillah. By the way, there was a time when the Kursi didn't exist and only Allah existed pre-eternally so my question to you as with the other guy is this: 'Where' (a stupid question in itself) was Allah before He created the Kursi?

You cannot say He was always established on the Kursi because then you fall into the same error as the people who believe the universe is eternal and always existed which is a quality only held by Allah and nothing else.
We can begin with u proving that IT said Allah is a PHYSICAL BEING whatever that means!

Also it's the ARSH and not the KURSI. Saaxib we don't need to go into this weird questioning of Allah and what Allah said. Allah says he rose over the throne, we accept that! We don't say but oh oh oh what about before or what about this and that?

Allah says:

الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى عَلَى الْعَرْشِ الرَّحْمَنُ فَاسْأَلْ بِهِ خَبِيرًا [الفرقان:59]

˹He is˺ the One Who created the heavens and the earth and everything in between in six Days,1 then established Himself on the Throne. ˹He is˺ the Most Compassionate! Ask ˹none other than˺ the All-Knowledgeable about Himself.

Also that stupid ""Where"" question was asked by the PROPHET himself!


See the word ثُمَّ means something happened after something, so Allah created the heavens and the earth THEN established himself on the throne. This flies in the face of what u where talking about here:

""By the way, there was a time when the Kursi didn't exist and only Allah existed pre-eternally so my question to you as with the other guy is this: 'Where' (a stupid question in itself) was Allah before He created the Kursi?

You cannot say He was always established on the Kursi because then you fall into the same error as the people who believe the universe is eternal and always existed which is a quality only held by Allah and nothing else.""

Allah himself says he wasn't always established on his throne, he did it in a sequence AFTER doing something else. This is something else Asharis deny, Allah acting in ''real time'' or acting in sequence, u guys believe that Allah acts pre eternal(whatever that means). So when u make dua to Allah now for something, he either grants u it or don't grant u it since pre eternally.
 
Allah is rose above the throne. I don’t understand how anyone can arrive to a different conclusion to this despite the overwhelming eveidence.

{Allah, it is He Who has created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them in six days. Then He rose over (istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). You (mankind) have none, besides Him, as a Wali (protector or helper) or an intercessor. Will you not then remember (or receive admonition)?} [As-Sajdah 32:4]

{Surely, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then rose over (istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty), disposing the affair of all things.} [Yunus 10:3]

{To Him ascend (all) the goodly words, and the righteous deeds exalt it (i.e. the goodly words are not accepted by Allah unless and until they are followed by good deeds).} [Fatir 35:10]

“He is the First (nothing is before Him) and the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him) and the Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him).} [Al-Hadid 57:3]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “You are the Most High and there is nothing above You…”
The verses which talk about Allah rising above the throne should not be taken literally, its simply an allegorical and the meaning of the verse is that Allah is the creator and sustainer of everything.

Saying that Allah is located in one place implies that Allah is not everywhere else and that would contradict the concept of His omnipotence since you believe there are limitation to His presence.
 

Araabi

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The verses which talk about Allah rising above the throne should not be taken literally, its simply an allegorical and the meaning of the verse is that Allah is the creator and sustainer of everything.

Saying that Allah is located in one place implies that Allah is not everywhere else and that would contradict the concept of His omnipotence since you believe there are limitation to His presence.

Space and time are created bodies so for God to be encompassed within the framework of what He created is ludicrous. You're absolutely right in that regard
 

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