Why does feminism have such a bad reputation?

[AishaBarri]

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The terms are so wide and vague, on purpose it only serves to create more confusion. How can you have a conversation when your words can have 100 definitions? Everyone has a different meaning of the word "feminism" in their heads and that's only one word.

That right there is the problem. We shouldn’t associate with them. A more cultural appropriate version would be ideal

What other definitions? This is the one I’m referring to: political, economic and social equality of the sexes/equal rights and opportunities

 

[hannah54321]

The waves of feminism, and why people keep fighting over them, explained

If you have no idea which wave of feminism we’re in right now, read this.

www.vox.com

 

[Boogie]

I always say some.

And its always in relation to the way the men on sspot talk about women, so obviously i'm going to make points about the misogyny some men display. Be honest, threads like 'should women work' or western Somali women are xyz are very common here and you seem to have normalised it, but its me you have a problem with?

Defending women isn't misandry. Urging men to treat women isn't misandry. Tell your fellow men to stop making thread dehumanizing us. All we women are asking is for some of your fellow men to treat us better.

I do not want to derail this thread but what makes u think I am responsible for all actions of sspot men? The problem isn't u calling out men for saying weird shit the problem is u engaging in gender wars and blaming ur problems on men
I won't reply

 

[AishaBarri]

Why dudes are against feminism when it means a lot of sex with no strings attached, 50/50 relationships, less stress and responsibility overall.

I’m not advocating for hyper sexualization I’m more worried about Somali Muslim women/other woc

 

[AishaBarri]

I do not want to derail this thread but what makes u think I am responsible for all actions of sspot men? The problem isn't u calling out men for saying weird shit the problem is u engaging in gender wars and blaming ur problems on men
I won't reply

Let’s just be real majority of sspot engage in gender wars. Maybe we should hold members who make these types of threads accountable. Defending women’s humanity is not the issue here.

 

[Juke]

I’m not advocating for hyper sexualization I’m more worried about Somali Muslim women/other woc

I understand your motivation. I'm wondering why dudes are against it, when it'd be in their interest.

 

[Jellal]

Why dudes are against feminism when it means a lot of sex with no strings attached, 50/50 relationships, less stress and responsibility overall.

That's not how it works look at the west where feminism is successful you got niggas dropping all types of bags, making a fool out of themselves and dancing around like a bunch of chimps in hopes of getting coochie. Feminism gasses these hoes up an makes the average heffa think she deserve a 10/10 dude.

 

[AishaBarri]

Because feminism, at its core, is a veiled attempt for white women to have the same privileges as their male counterparts. Why am I fighting for an cadaan lady’s right to abuse me? Hell no.

It’s annoying how white women are the spokespeople. White women are annoying in general I understand why black women branched out. Maybe we need more culture specific forms because this is not it.

 

[qalanjoqoordheer]

Women, especially the ones on this forum seem to very fond of money, so the fact that they are marrying rich husbands is of their own choice (though there are a few problems with a mentality of that though it should be its own separate topic) boys are encouraged to get rich for women, there will always be a demand for easy access to women if a certain mentality is in place with men (which can be changed) but who is fueling the market? Women. And both are players in the exchange some of you guys are not in favor for what you guys want to fight against, hyper sexualization and seeing women beyond their bodies (which i support)

and in terms of black/and brown muslims being discriminated race and religion obviously plays a role in that and is another issue that is in the beliefs of certain people (i say religion plays more to it than race) and all of that is another hurdle, a hurdle being supported by the original founders of feminism might i add

You hit and missed bruh
It's a slippery slope you are going down if you want to talk about specifically the hypersexualization of women say that.
Sexual liberation is fake feminism it does nothing to equalize the socio-economic powers of men and women but instills this new age 'choice feminism' concept that makes it seem like women can profit off of their sexualization which is true but it isn't a choice because women are groomed into doing so. This is in reference to your point that women like rich men, the reason as I have explained is that women are commodified and some see sex, not as an intimate act but as payment towards their partner. This is of course inevitable when in this society, women are commodified and we are given value from our willingness to offer others access to us, whether that access is freely given by us or forcibly taken from us is presented as a choice when in reality it isn't. Sexual liberation is not true freedom as liberalism presents it and from what I've heard women find pleasure in intimate and personal relationships not by allowing others to use them as sock. Like I've said earlier black/brown Muslim women face a unique struggle in the west so I don't understand why you think it's a laughing matter it really isn't. White feminist movements like #freethenipple isn't doing us any favors when we are more worried about our body not getting treated properly in medical settings (especially for older Somali women who have been circumcised when giving birth), refused jobs and any opportunities as punishment for being the face of Islam in the west and being suppressed by our racial identity as well as our gender.

 

[Juke]

That's not how it works look at the west where feminism is successful you got niggas dropping all types of bags, making a fool out of themselves and dancing around like a bunch of chimps in hopes of getting coochie. Feminism gasses these hoes up an makes the average heffa think she deserve a 10/10 dude.

So you fear dudes at the top will clean up and the avg dudes left as incels

 

[qalanjoqoordheer]

Because feminism, at its core, is a veiled attempt for white women to have the same privileges as their male counterparts. Why am I fighting for an cadaan lady’s right to abuse me? Hell no.

Yes, this is completely true, in political campaigns they use our stories but in reality, they benefit most from feminism, which makes me think black/brown women should have their own feminist movement because our issues are brushed aside to improve the quality of life for white women whilst our own are in crippling poverty.

 

[Zoobear]

That right there is the problem. We shouldn’t associate with them. A more cultural appropriate version would be ideal

What other definitions? This is the one I’m referring to: political, economic and social equality of the sexes/equal rights and opportunities

I only speak in generality, the English language is one were one word can have multiple meanings. Most other languages are much more specific in the definition of words. It's a reason why the English speaking world has the most attorneys.

 

[qalanjoqoordheer]

Islam has elevated me as a woman. I don't need "feminism." Islam gave me rights to own property, land, etc.

Besides, the ones who get the most benefit from affirmative action are white women, so they don't need our help.

Totally but in non-Islamic countries, we are targeted by racists for being black and openly wearing Islamic garments including the hijab as women. For many of us who are in the West to improve our lives we need better opportunities but because of these racial, sexist, and religious prejudices people in power(mainly cadaans), we are barred from progressing in society. We should want the same socioeconomic status as white men and not settle for this treatment just because it's not our own country when other people have come and saved generational wealth here.

 

[qalanjoqoordheer]

Absolutely! I agree. This could be accomplished without feminism. That movement has been bastardized and doesn't suit my needs.

Are there any movements that encompass our needs? Because even if it doesn't help us it would be better than not being aligned with any movements that will better our status in society.

 

[AishaBarri]

Islam has elevated me as a woman. I don't need "feminism." Islam gave me rights to own property, land, etc.

Besides, the ones who get the most benefit from affirmative action are white women, so they don't need our help.

I agree with this 110% I just wish men in Muslim countries would uphold this as they have the power to. If we lived in a just world Islam is all we need.

 

[Revolutionary]

You hit and missed bruh
It's a slippery slope you are going down if you want to talk about specifically the hypersexualization of women say that.
Sexual liberation is fake feminism it does nothing to equalize the socio-economic powers of men and women(as radical feminists like myself want) but instills this new age 'choice feminism' concept that makes it seem like women can profit off of their sexualization which is true but it isn't a choice because women are groomed into doing so. This is in reference to your point that women like rich men, the reason as I have explained is that women are commodified and some see sex, not as an intimate act but as payment towards their partner. This is of course inevitable when in this society, women are commodified and we are given value from our willingness to offer others access to us, whether that access is freely given by us or forcibly taken from us is presented as a choice when in reality it isn't. Sexual liberation is not true freedom as liberalism presents it and from what I've heard women find pleasure in intimate and personal relationships not by allowing others to use them as sock. Like I've said earlier black/brown Muslim women face a unique struggle in the west so I don't understand why you think it's a laughing matter it really isn't. White feminist movements like #freethenipple isn't doing us any favors when we are more worried about our body not getting treated properly in medical settings (especially for older Somali women who have been circumcised when giving birth), refused jobs and any opportunities as punishment for being the face of Islam in the west and being suppressed by our racial identity as well as our gender.

Let's talk about grooming, firstly we need to distinguish what is and what isn't something that is brought forth by society for women, i highly doubt that most women wanting a wealthy spouse or decides to become a prostitute, or decides to make an onlyfans, do ect is forced to do so by society, encouraged by a select audience is a better wording for it, and the reasoning for them doing so the majority of the time, (and correct me if im wrong can be classified into 2 reasonings, firstly is that some women have been encouraged, from the "sexual liberation" movement into believing that this is a viable and completely understanding career choice one would want to do, and and another audience being from men(and other women sometimes), its no secret that men have a higher sex drive and sexual urges than women, and would want these women to preform such highly sexualized acts, these are the main consumers of the women, these people need help no doubt, and from the surface of it, it seems like there is a mutual transaction between the two, the pleasure and the money, though looking into it deeper, the people who indulged in such activities will continue to induldge in it if they do not stop, and get into more and more perverted activities (for example incest is already normalized on these sites) and their overall perception of women is generally very low, and the people who provide these "services" are not well respected, get abused, often times regret it, only worth is their bodies ect i can go on and on and frankly i need to read up more on this problem Women being commodified is definitely an issue and is being fueled by other women, they are the producers of these issues that inevitably worsen what others want to achieve, this is not to say that men also are in on this however they deserve their own separate topic as they both have their own solutions, and as far as socio economic standings go i have no problem with that and wouldnt consider it as "radical" either, The rest of what you said i agree with though.

 

[Moe]

A good example video of disgusting nowdays feminists here in the west. Throw them in the trashcan already where they belong.

 

[QueenofKings]

I was going to make a thread on this . Tbh in the west women objectify themselves, the music scene treats women like prostitutes , that WAP song by cardi b and Meghan was controversial yet was defended by many feminists . In fact mainstream culture from movies to apps (Instagram/only fans ) music reflects society. And obviously not all countries are the same , the Latin countries( France etc ) many women were against the metoo movement compared to women from Anglo Saxon countries

A lot of women have been brainwashed to believe selling sexuality to men is equal to empowerment because there’s money involved. It says a lot about our capitalistic culture to think being morally bankrupt or indecent can somehow be overturned if you make money from your indecency. Or a woman participating in her exploitation and profiting from it somehow makes it ok. In reality Meghan and Cardi B will get pennies while the male heads of their record companies will make the real money.

 

[Angelina]

There are different types of feminists. Marxist feminists, liberal 3rd-4th wave feminists, black feminists ect. The feminists that are at the forefront in today's society are the liberal 4th wave feminists who have shown that they lack a moral compass especially on their take on sex work and sexual objectification of women.

In saying that, many of us girls would not have the rights that we have if it wasn't for 1st and 2nd wave feminists. I'm grateful for the fact that I can go to school, seek an education, inherit, go to work, buy and sell ect. This are also basic Islamic rights, but funnily enough Muslim women have to constantly defend these rights as some Muslim men have issues with it.

One thing women need to understand is that there is a subsection of men, that will always hate anything that empowers women. When feminism in the late 1800s came about, the men of that society believed it was evil, despite women hardly having any legal rights. Women even attending universities was a threat towards men. Women were simply chattle, yet demanding normal human rights was seen as a threat to the order of things.

 

[bobsburger]

Because girls are ew and have cooties.