Would a multi-party political system work in Somalia? What political system would be best for us?

[GeKo]

If we were to have a multi-party democratic state, I can see us dividing ourselves along ikhwaan (al-islah), salafi and sufi; each being funded by different Arab countries. I don't think turning into different sects of Islam is useful for us and will just cause us division, hatred and slow progress. The different Islamic political parties wouldn't be working in our interest but in the interest of the Arab countries that're funding them.

An ideal situation would be having multi-parties political system that are divided on issues affecting Somalia/Somalis, whether it's their views on economics, agriculture, droughts/famines, military, water,electricity, industrialization etc.. and how they would go about solving those issues. So that Somalis could choose the party they believe to share the most views with on these key issues.

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What do you think the best case scenario would be for Somalia? What political system should we adopt?

I haven't seen this system of politics work successfully in any African country. Is this form of governance susceptible to outside influencers lobbying the parties, how can we avoid that?

 

[World]

Centralized one party government.

 

[GeKo]

If I'm not mistaken, Malaysia is one of the few muslim majority democratic nations that're doing well for its ppl. I'd like to see something like that for Somalia.

 

[GeKo]

Centralized one party government.

I think the more centralized the power the more a catastrophic failure will occur and the more centralized corruption will be. We've already seen what dictatorship has led us to.

Imo, decentralizing power would work better for us. Diffusing power to state governors, mayors, councillors etc..
Instead of all power under the president or his party would be better.

Somalis throughout history haven't been a kingdom type of ppl we're more independent city-states type of ppl.

We're not like the Asians, we are naturally rebellious and very tribal and I think having an opposition that keeps the other party on its toes would suit us better.

 

[World]

I think the more centralized the power the more a catastrophic failure will occur and the more centralized corruption will be. We've already seen what dictatorship has led us to.

Imo, decentralizing power would work better for us. Diffusing power to state governors, mayors, councillors etc..
Instead of all power under the president or his party would be better.

Somalis throughout history haven't been a kingdom type of ppl we're more independent city-states type of ppl.

We're not like the Asians, we are naturally rebellious and very tribal and I think having an opposition that keeps the other party on its toes would suit us better.

We're already decentralized. And you can see the outcome of that.

 

[GeKo]

We're already decentralized. And you can see the outcome of that.

Simple, take away foreign policy and army's from states. Each state should have state governors not presidents that make their own foreign affairs decision.

The federal gov't is too weak atm but once it can stand on its feet, it'll take away the excess power that each state has. The federal states had to have this state power before because there was no functioning gov't. It was out of necessity.

Let's not repeat history with a centralized dictatorship rule we're not like the Asian sxb.
It will never work.

 

[World]

Simple, take away foreign policy and army's from states. Each state should have state governors not presidents that make their own foreign affairs decision.

The federal gov't is too weak atm but once it can stand on its feet, it'll take away the excess power that each state has. The federal states had to have this state power before because there was no functioning gov't. It was out of necessity.

Let's not repeat history with a centralized dictatorship rule we're not like the Asian sxb.
It will never work.

So what power will these states yield?

 

[GeKo]

So what power will these states yield?

They'll have representatives in the parliament which together will have as much power as the president in case of major failure from the president.

They'll also run all other affairs in the state whether water, electricity, education, judicial services, police, public service etc.

 

[Abdalla]

Every empirical study shows that democracy only works if you have a flourishing middle class. People should have choices in their lives on basic issues like what to eat or whether to study or work before they can make choices on who to elect for presidency.

 

[SirLancelLord]

You lot probably hate me already but Somalis and multi party democracy. Will turn out tribalistic just look at Somaliland and the voting results for all 5 elections people vote for candidates along tribal lines.

Despite each party & candidate having a manifesto that's all secondary they want to know what subclans he hails from. For Example Burco was 50/50 Wadani & Kulmiye but odweyne was Wadani. You should be able to find the results online somewhere

 

[MadNomad]

Centralized one party government.

This is ideal, but not realistic.

 

[Silky]

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National Plan of Action

A parliamentary system which makes the executive more accountable and a government relegated to just creating legislation that makes it easier for the private sector and civil society to bring about development.

Top-down development would never work in our country like in china because we have neither the population nor natural resources, development from the grassroots is the only way.

In tandem with this though is the need for a policy of Nation-building by a national propaganda/indoctrination campaign in which all kids from 4-17 say a Pledge of Alleigiance every day of every year of their school life and the national anthem sprung out and played at any excuse, Births/deaths/weddings/eids/graduations. And the national flag everywhere at all times.

The importance to the progress of a country of a shared national character based on principles of Xeer and a unifying national creation myth is unimaginable. This can be achieved through theatre, movies, television, and radio and sports. This is very important, to create unity and democratic norms beyond tribal electioneering, this and tangible economic progress are what will allow for the SOMALI Republic to have a vibrant democratic system.

This is also very urgent, the youth majority of Somalia cannot be lost to apathy and disillusionment with the existence of a functioning state, something the current system is at risk of doing

 

[GeKo]

Every empirical study shows that democracy only works if you have a flourishing middle class. People should have choices in their lives on basic issues like what to eat or whether to study or work before they can make choices on who to elect for presidency.

Are you suggesting we go the dictatorship route?
What alternative do you suggest. I don't see any other way working for us.

 

[GeKo]

You lot probably hate me already but Somalis and multi party democracy. Will turn out tribalistic just look at Somaliland and the voting results for all 5 elections people vote for candidates along tribal lines.

Despite each party & candidate having a manifesto that's all secondary they want to know what subclans he hails from. For Example Burco was 50/50 Wadani & Kulmiye but odweyne was Wadani. You should be able to find the results online somewhere

I think having a parliament that decides on the solutions presented by the President should be in place. I'm not sure about SL but if the President has too much power then that could be where the issues could be arising. Having a majority seat in parliament could be just as important as being President. Therefore it would be in the parties best interest to have representatives win majority vote in every region so that they'll atleast have parliamentary power if not presidency.

The great thing is the issues affecting one qabil , are affecting every qabiil so if a representatives develops the region they were chosen from then it'll help all residents in that region.

The reps can be as qabilist as they want, but they'll share similar views to the party and will go with their party leader on the issues at hand in parliament. The reps will also be given the chance to develop their regions and will be voted in by the county he was chosen from.

In the end, all that matters is if there's peace and progress going on and I can see that with SL currently. There'd be a whole lot more chaos if it was a president for life/one party rule, don't you agree.

 

[World]

I think having a parliament that decides on the solutions presented by the President should be in place. I'm not sure about SL but if the President has too much power then that could be where the issues could be arising. Having a majority seat in parliament could be just as important as being President. Therefore it would be in the parties best interest to have representatives win majority vote in every region so that they'll atleast have parliamentary power if not presidency.

The great thing is the issues affecting one qabil , are affecting every qabiil so if a representatives develops the region they were chosen from then it'll help all residents in that region.

The reps can be as qabilist as they want, but they'll share similar views to the party and will go with their party leader on the issues at hand in parliament. The reps will also be given the chance to develop their regions and will be voted in by the county he was chosen from.

In the end, all that matters is if there's peace and progress going on and I can see that with SL currently. There'd be a whole lot more chaos if it was a president for life/one party rule, don't you agree.

Peace, sure. But that's a low bar to reach.

Progress, there isn't any in Somaliland.

 

[GeKo]

Peace, sure. But that's a low bar to reach.

Progress, there isn't any in Somaliland.

You'd think Somalis would accept a centralized gov't? The alternative to peace is chaos and it's way more likely to happen with centralized gov't's.
Many African countries are on the brink of civil war due to this. China was able to avoid this by being a police state and controlling what ppl see/do and they've placed many measures to ensure this continues. Now with their social credit rating, they'll be able to rule more effectively.
lol try doing that with Somalis.

You haven't suggested not even one compelling argument to why centralized rule would be better for us.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Give me federalism, or give me death!

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

There's no option other than federalism hence why the international community supports that system. Federalism hasn't even been given a try yet Somalia needs to be pacified by al shabaab before it's fully implemented. There will never be a central system again. Regions that are able to form federal state have shown no desire for another political system it's only those who feel lost out in such a system that support it and they are statistically speaking a minority in any given state.

 

[GeKo]

Give me federalism, or give me death!

There's no option other than federalism hence why the international community supports that system. Federalism hasn't even been given a try yet Somalia needs to be pacified by al shabaab before it's fully implemented. There will never be a central system again. Regions that are able to form federal state have shown no desire for another political system it's only those who feel lost out in such a system that support it and they are statistically speaking a minority in any given state.

I'm ok with federalism, but federalism without the state having a choice on foreign policy and having no army.
Otherwise you'll see the states just fighting each other, and embarrassing the federal gov't with their own alliances being made separate from the federal gov't.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I believe our government structure should be FEDERAL but the mode of government and how things get done and how we elect our leaders and all our institutions should be using a traditional approach similar to oman who have a similar culture to us which is tribal and they are today the most happiest people in the mid-east and do not get harassed by the world nor do they harass others.

Look at our nomads they don't go invade other ethiopians or kenyans if there is no reason too. Live and Let live is how they operate and Somalis will be exactly the same when they don't really need to care much about the outside world because they trust their government, it will be fully they'res and their won't be suspicion or tribal animosity or fake crocodile tears and seeking foreign help. The fact our nomads lived in relative peace compared to the city is enough proof to anyone with eyes foreign systems don't work because foreign systems is what the cities have where-as the rural folks have traditional system and is far more effective in achieving their goals of growing livestock.

Oman did the same if you want to see it at a nation level which I don't need to see it, if I can see the rural folks in our land living quite fine and moving around peacefully and they have GROWED their livestocks which proves they achieved their goal, that is enough confidence that they have a working system to achieve their priorities. We have priorities in the city also but no working system and keep using shitty democracies and western or eastern made crap.