Would a multi-party political system work in Somalia? What political system would be best for us?

[DR OSMAN]

Any foreign system that creates competition among Somalis will result in corruption just like the 60's and it will result in our govt then seeking to distract us so we dont kill each other like they did with the somali-wayn project(a mere distraction) to avoid us collapsing internally. Then siyad picked it up and distracted us with ethiopia as he knew if he didnt have that, we would fight inside.

We can't live like this and need to accept foreign systems just leads us into suspicion, competition, corruption and eventually seeking a war with neighbors so we keep distracted from us crumbling inside. Just drop the colonial minds, reject it, fight against it. Are u insane to go back to the same road u fucking assholes, your going to get us killed all over again.

 

[DR OSMAN]

You know how you can tell a leader is strategic or not? and not many are bar abdillahi yusuf and to a smaller extent zackariye haji and farole but their infected with their agendas. They look at the base population, mark if they achieved their priorities, and then work backwards and see the steps they took and copy those steps and set a new priority for watever your doing.

Goal is you will enjoy that stability inside like they are and just changing goals nothing else which can change and should. For example a business doesn't need to look at an identical business, because their all the same, u scan the ones who are the highest and achieving their goals, and look at the steps they did to achieve it and replicate or adjust or even mix up. It's not hard at all.

Non strategic person will say, show me an identical nation that has succeeded with what your saying, they want to copy n paste identical stuff loooooooooooool. If you hear them saying this nation blah and that nation blah, you know they just copying and pasting. You think forefathers had identical stuff to copy in america, they scanned for what achieved it's goal and scanned it society to see if it can fit in.

That's how strategic people think, it's not finding something similar, you can even find it in tribal people or primitive folks your answers as long as they ACHIEVED the set objective they have and that's all that counts. U set a goal, did u achieve it and if u did I WANNA KNOW HOW because we all people at the end of day and have same concerns and problems, it dont matter if ur in office or outside in the wild.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Being strategic isn't hard, your connecting dots but those dots are something u know ACTUALLY delivered and then going backwards to see the steps that led to the outcome and assessing if it can fit in where u r. It's even better if u can criss cross many dots and take out bits and here there for a nicer more robust outcome and they will call u a bloody genius but its just their blinded to know life is about getting answers and outcomes and the first place to look is history

 

[DR OSMAN]

I was watching saddam hussein for example. See you will all say ahhhhh he is a loser, evil, blah blah blah. No he made a move and you look at those moves and see the outcome he got. Now you know what not to do at least. He attacked kuwait, but kuwait has a big friend backing it. So why would north korea wanna attack south korea? u see the dots!!! they have the same identical friend and it's even a stronger friend then kuwait which is about mutual interest only not idealogical like the south korean.

Look at Saddam, 10 year war with iran, nothing but a million dead bodies and billions lost and he didn't even get a cent back. What does that tell u about war now especially when the odds are pretty close like those two countries were? it tells you to avoid it doesn't it. Sad thing is not a single thing changed and they just went back to their nations with a draw. Similar to how Somalia is. Imagine you died for nothing or your family did, not a single thing achieved???

Example Trump said they have like 36000 troops stationed in DMZ between South korea and North Korea for decades NOW. Has it been useful? Can't south korea hold off north korea untill america comes to the rescue? it definitely can, it's a waste having those soldiers there. Even those nukes are a waste as it gives no advantage.

Most nations will fall under a nuclear umbrella or partner either thru trade, idealogy, or regional matters. U touch them, u f*ck with the nuclear umbrella. They should just decimate it all, as it's just an un-necessary cost if everyone has them and never being used. It's not a deterrent at all and no nation fears it anymore as they see the layout in the world and wat will happen if anyone is touched with it.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Countries are like houses in a street is the best equivalent I can think of. How one rules his home and the people within it, shouldn't be our problem as long it doesn't spill out in the street and affected the neighborhood as a whole then that is a problem. Some homes use consensus style agreements, others one man rules it and everyone under it. Some are about sharing or socialism. Some are about who brings in the money has the biggest say.

As long as it don't spill over to your house or the street(world in general like sea, lands, air, etc), we shouldn't really care. We should only care when it does spill out on the streets and we can't operate due to it or one of our friends is impacted be it economic one or idealogical one. I would prefer Somalia sets up economic friendship with non idealogical friends.

Keep the MB as idealogical allies, while keeping our economic friends different, so we got two friends backing us in-case one becomes unstable. But we don't do that, we trade now with turkey, same idealogy or the gulf same idealogy. We should go to india or china for trade.

In-fact we can expand that further and have security friends in our continent or shared security concerns. We need to expand our life-lines not RELY ON one and die by it like we also have but diversify it as much as possible.If we have unique traditionalism system we can unite with countries on similar systems and promote it. We can even argue we have shared values with the western world and create a link there but execute it through a different system. Lifelines is what its about in the world

 

[DR OSMAN]

I wish you gave the leadership to the DOCTOR but u won't as your blinded by clan hatred and don't care for safeguarding your interests. U won't see behind he is Majerten but won't see it is in my interest we are all stable or else I will be unstable also AND gain nothing from it in the long-term.

U will mock me as I sit under the tree with nomads and say how the hell did u manage to achieve this century long peace among yourself which enabled to carry out your activities of livestock growth. I won't sit in some london hotel or brussels and talk about the schedule of the next meeting. I do Real tings because the world is A REAL PLACE. Why would I bother sitting in europe or america when they been doing that for 60 years in africa and the place look no different. I will sit where I SEE OUTCOMES and I see it in the nomads, I see it in Oman.

 

[World]

Why is this guy always writing dissertations? He made 7 long posts in a row wtf.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Why is this guy always writing dissertations? He made 7 long posts in a row wtf.

Why do u keep reading one line sentences for years and still the same as you were 20 years ago? It's not about the length of what's someone saying but quality. U been reading forum one liners for 20 years and your no different to how u were 20 years ago? life is about growing u dumb f*ck not counting words.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Why is this guy always writing dissertations? He made 7 long posts in a row wtf.

I am saving u all the grief I had to go thru to get to where I am in a few paragraphs, you prefer to go thru it in 20 years thru your one line sentences nonsense. Stop fucking send us back to lion if we been bitten once, I dont wanna go back again to democracy.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Why is this guy always writing dissertations? He made 7 long posts in a row wtf.

I mean what the f*ck do u contribute to SPOT? how someone nose is bigger then mine, how someone has light or dark skin!!! thats all u contribute sxb, your whole life is looking at people and u cant get past it then u get buried in the earth and u were just a fuckin waste of life.

 

[RobleTheRainMan]

@DR OSMAN

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

Somalia is incapable of controlling most of its territory which is overrun by al Shabaab so foreign policy and state militias shouldn't be any of its problems that will be sorted out later in an actual constitution not the provisional one that exists today. Federalism has not failed but many people want it to fail. A centralized Somalia is good only for some people particularly regions that can't fulfil the requirements for federalism. It's a tried and tested system in Somalia it's outdated.

The idea that power and wealth will be concentrated in and around the vicinity of Mogadishu is no longer accepted by Somalis not native to that area that means military as well. For example Puntland has Dervish which number around 5000 which receive its own payments and has its own structure that's a state force they have never been considered to be integrated into Somalia's future armed forces. That's why 3000 separate conscripts were assigned to join a multi tribal force known as SNA.

The opponents of federalism want the submission of states such as Puntland for a government that can not exist on its own, a government that doesn't control most of the country and a government that has no legitimacy except that given to it by the international community. That's the core of the argument against federalism because they believe without proof, without cause, without argument that the fault of Somalia's upheaval lies within a system that has not been implemented yet. That has no bearing on reality so the discussion shouldn't be which political system works best but which political system is acceptable for the present time. There's a lot of animosity in Somalia so let these fantasies stay fantasies and focus on the reality before us.