Would you guys accept a Islamic east africa nation?

[AbdiS]

It depends. Some ethnicities, like the Oromos, are not uniform in religion, ethnicity (background), and belief like Somalis. During 18th & 19th century, we've converted many of them into the religion, but many still display double-dealing mannerisms we should not be tolerated when creating a state based on religion and belief. Also, one must note that there is a sizeable amount of them that are not even muslim, and would ardently back their Amhara oppressors when such actions are taking place.

Afars are another problem as well. Many of them (similar to right now) are on hostile terms with Somalis, and would prefer to remain in the current state of conflict with Somalis, in order to seize land and resources. Unlike other ethnicities of the horn, they are as hardheaded - if not more hardheaded than the average Somali. So good luck negotiating the creation of an 'Islamic State' to them. Amharas are another option too. But, as we all know, the vast majority of them are Orthodox Christians. Any sign of a rising Muslim population within the Amhara would be squandered by them.

The only viable option we have is with Eritrea. We are on neutral terms with them, which is a great thing. However, how must we create a state with them, considering our long distance between each other? A better idea would be to form some sort of alliance with them. We should base the alliance on both religion and geographical & political positions. This alliance would squeeze Ethiopia and other gaal nations of the horn, and stagnate whatever progress they have.

That's what I think to be a better idea.

 

[greyhound stone]

It depends. Some ethnicities, like the Oromos, are not uniform in religion, ethnicity (background), and belief like Somalis. During 18th & 19th century, we've converted many of them into the religion, but many still display double-dealing mannerisms we should not be tolerated when creating a state based on religion and belief. Also, one must note that there is a sizeable amount of them that are not even muslim, and would ardently back their Amhara oppressors when such actions are taking place.

Afars are another problem as well. Many of them (similar to right now) are on hostile terms with Somalis, and would prefer to remain in the current state of conflict with Somalis, in order to seize land and resources. Unlike other ethnicities of the horn, they are as hardheaded - if not more hardheaded than the average Somali. So good luck negotiating the creation of an 'Islamic State' to them. Amharas are another option too. But, as we all know, the vast majority of them are Orthodox Christians. Any sign of a rising Muslim population within the Amhara would be squandered by them.

The only viable option we have is with Eritrea. We are on neutral terms with them, which is a great thing. However, how must we create a state with them, considering our long distance between each other? A better idea would be to form some sort of alliance with them. We should base the alliance on both religion and geographical & political positions. This alliance would squeeze Ethiopia and other gaal nations of the horn, and stagnate whatever progress they have.

That's what I think to be a better idea.

Agree it's basically impossible

 

[Spartan]

Getcho kumbaya ass on boa

 

[Muzaffer]

its

Agree it's basically impossible

not impossible we must build our country then spread our influence to them.

 

[xabashi]

Religion based state is bad, in fact it’s the worst that can happen to the region whether it’s christian or islamic and every sane citizen must fight it from happening. Religion is not rational, it’s a dogmatic, irrational, uncompromising, belief system and as such is a very bad system to be used as a basis for a state.

Somalis need to wake up from their religious ummah dreams and come to terms with the real world. Even many arabs are realizing this fact. The bible and Quran are good religious books but it will be way beyond their capacity to use them as a „constitution“ of a 21st century state and anybody trying to do so will end up fighting reality and will ultimately lose.

Apart from being a madness, christian Ethiopians and Eritreans and many muslims too will make sure the region is not dragged into the abyss of stone age taliban land. Nothing good comes from religious madness.

 

[Ghengis Kaarhis]

No.

 

[DalsanJubiland]

Never mix religion and politics. Mixing is recipes for disaster. For example look at Somalia, Afghanistan, Yemen, even Pakistan all trouble shape after religion and politics mixtures.
Even in United State when religious right try to influence the United politics they create mess .

 

[libaaxad]

Religion based state is bad, in fact it’s the worst that can happen to the region whether it’s christian or islamic and every sane citizen must fight it from happening. Religion is not rational, it’s a dogmatic, irrational, uncompromising, belief system and as such is a very bad system to be used as a basis for a state.

Somalis need to wake up from their religious ummah dreams and come to terms with the real world. Even many arabs are realizing this fact. The bible and Quran are good religious books but it will be way beyond their capacity to use them as a „constitution“ of a 21st century state and anybody trying to do so will end up fighting reality and will ultimately lose.

Apart from being a madness, christian Ethiopians and Eritreans and many muslims too will make sure the region is not dragged into the abyss of stone age taliban land. Nothing good comes from religious madness.

religion gives order. where did all the laws and legislations derive from in America? religion. It is a way of life is ruled properly, it deters crime and gives order.. somalis, however they take religion to the extreme and things like al shabab are born. your hatred for religion comes form ptsd, maybe growing up or seeing the state of somalia...

 

[xabashi]

religion gives order. where did all the laws and legislations derive from in America? religion. It is a way of life is ruled properly, it deters crime and gives order.. somalis, however they take religion to the extreme and things like al shabab are born. your hatred for religion comes form ptsd, maybe growing up or seeing the state of somalia...

I agree that religion contributed a lot for humanity especially as a basis of moral and input for many of the laws in secular states. The problem with religion is that it is a belief system and is very hard to change or adapt to the needs of the modern world. States must debate, revise, change and adapt their rules and laws to meet the needs, understandings and way of life of the current generation. Religion on the other hand is stuck to the customs of some distance centuries and tries to impose them on the current generation disregarding all the progress that were made in the meantime. It is also highly unfair to the current generation to not live their lives according to its own generation and being forced to live like some unknown backward past.

That is the reason why I am also against teaching the Bible/Quran in the schools (science class - creation vs evolution) even though I'm a creationist. School and science are all about research, debate, questioning the status quo and thinking new ways and arriving at new conclusions based on research etc. Bible/Quran is not like that. As long as it can't be questioned and changed based on new facts then it can't be part of the school system (science class).

 

[Muzaffer]

Never mix religion and politics. Mixing is recipes for disaster. For example look at Somalia, Afghanistan, Yemen, even Pakistan all trouble shape after religion and politics mixtures.
Even in United State when religious right try to influence the United politics they create mess .

look to the Rashidun caliphate look to the prophet Muhammad look to the Umayyads and the Abbasids. look to the Islamic golden age.

saying that religion and politics can't mix is kufr because sharia is not from humans it came from the almighty Allah.

how can a pathetic human have the right to oppose the laws of Allah?

وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْكَافِرُونَ


whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the disbelievers.