Y-DNA and mtDNA of Somali (Mostly) 23andMe Relatives
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Bapo
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How do you find out your sub-clade of K1a?
Not too sure bro. I'm guessing deeper tests like on nebula
No Somali has it on YFull but on 23andMe Somalis get this one as well:
K1a12 MTree
Which is more specific
Yh you find out the most specific one through full genome tests, but if you've done 23andMe, you can download your raw data and upload it here: https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/
To maybe give you a bit more specific one.
can someone give me more information on maternal haplogroup L1b1a, I did 23andme and got 100% somali and I believe this haplogroup originated from west Africa? Is this common for somalis to have my haplogroup. None of my relatives share this haplogroup. ??
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The alchemist
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That haplogroup was present in the Shara and North Africa for a very long time. That's where you got yours from. It shares a common ancestor with the rest of the L1b up to 35 thousand years or so. Your connection with those West Africans on the maternal side is very old, not new. Basically, it came from the Nile Valley to the Horn of Africa.
23andMe hasn't designated a resolution for your sub-clade that is likely similar to this, for example:
Those Israeli flags are Bedouin Arabs.
The Kulubnarti Nubians also got this haplogroup only with extra mutations:
It solidifies that this had an old presence in Sharan and Nile Valley.
Around 1.78% of Somalis got L1b1a. Note that mtDNA is highly diversified among Somalis, so it is a noteworthy number and shared with unmixed Somalis with no West African-related DNA, which shows it is not from any recent influence.
Usually mixed Somalis have L1c and are half New World Black, generally. There was one half-Bermudan woman with L1b1a3. That sub-clade is a West African branch, with some old European introduction here and there.
So, basically, your mtDNA has been with the Cushites that came migrating from the Nile Valley and maybe had an older presence in the eastern Saharan region when we rewind time to the Green Sahara period. Probably introduced to the Nile Valley by Central Saharan pastoralists a very long time ago.
J1C is sudanese? my mother has J1B, I reckon it arrived alongside R1B into Africa.Upon further investigation most of those lineages come from African American/ Ethiopian mixed Somalis. However L5a1b, L1c3a, L2b are 100% northern Somalis though
I was surprised by I and J1c (mtDNA) . The 5 J1c appear to be unrelated. I don’t think I’ve seen studies mentioning Somalis with these lineages although “I” was apparently found in 2 Somalis
.Haplogroup I (mtDNA) - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Northern Swordsman
Tawxiid Alle lahaw, Talo na Alle saaro.
Whats the difference between T-M70 and T-L208
Arabsiyawi
HA Activist.
T-M70 is ancestral to T-L208.
M70 is about 18000y old while L208 is a 12000yo mutation.
Almis
The Gulf of Berbera
Who were your relative matches?
E-V32 -> 72.65%
T-L208 & T-M70 -> 15.59% & 1.18% = 16.77%
How do you get this data?
Download your DNA relatives data from 23andme then organize it in excel.
Btw I'm using old data from last summer. They disabled the ability to download data since the October hack.
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Arabsiyawi
HA Activist.
Wdym who ?
Almis
The Gulf of Berbera
I mean in your results it will show who your matches were right?
Arabsiyawi
HA Activist.
Yes. If you meant « which tribe do you mostly match » I’d say Isaaq and Dir. my top 40 matches seem to all come from (or partially) western and central SL, and it makes sense since I’m HA. The other matches are quite irrelevant since they’re pretty distant. The rest of my 800 matches are from northeast, central Somalia and Galbeed. I think I matched with very little southern Somalis.
It seems like the divide between « Sab and Samaale » clans is a real thing.
I’ve spoken to a RX brother and Garre one, both told me that they have just a couple hundred matches. Bare in mind, your average northern/central Somali person gets around 700-1000 matches on there. Quite interesting.
The alchemist
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They disabled it? Thankfully I downloaded my stuff.
Dude, that number I showed was all done through manual labor. Sifting through 100s of people was tiresome and tedious.
I know people that downloaded their data after it . It worked for some people somehow
