Zoroastrian claims a Persian dynasty ruled Somalia during the Middle Ages
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I hope Somalis keep writing their own history and teach it, because these Asians are ridiculous.
These nigguhs will do anything so that they don't get called Indians.
These nigguhs will do anything so that they don't get called Indians.
Indians are their babies, these deadbeat daddies..
Yeah this is pretty clearly nonsense. Muzzafar is a title, not the name of a dynasty
I know of this manuscript which Enrico Cerulli revises and adds his own nonsense speculations on top of, distorting the real information it posses.
Because the name Muzzafar , it does not seem to be a dynasty at all. Al-Muzzafar is a title , you have various muslim emirs and sultans throughout the medieval period in different polities wearing it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Muzaffar
It's like claiming this random Amir wearing the title Al-Muzzafar who ruled Al-Andalus was from the same Persian/Arab dynasty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Malik_al-Muzaffar
We get a clarification in the contemporay historical sources because Ibn Hajar mentions Mogadishu Sultan wearing the title Al-Muzafar in the 14th century going back 3 generations wearing their honourifics/titles.
Al-Mansur is also a title or a nickname. Like that Al-Andalus ruler his predecessor was nicknamed it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almanzor
Al-Mansoor Al-Muzzafar Al-Muayyad etcs are honorifics meaning ''The Victorious''
And you can clear see that it's not a dynastic name but a title and it doesn't trace back to the 16th century to a made up Arabo-Persian -Somali familly.
All TJSThese nigguhs will do anything so that they don't get called Indians.
I ended up replying to him and he gave me this wikipedia link as evidence.
en.wikipedia.org
It looks so fraudulent, Persians ruling Mogadishu? Unfortunately I don't know enough about Medieval Mogadishu so can @Emir of Zayla @Step a side @Idilinaa help clear this up for me please?
Muzaffarids (Somalia) - Wikipedia
It looks so fraudulent, Persians ruling Mogadishu? Unfortunately I don't know enough about Medieval Mogadishu so can @Emir of Zayla @Step a side @Idilinaa help clear this up for me please?
From me just looking at the Mogadishu wiki you can tell everything he said is capI ended up replying to him and he gave me this wikipedia link as evidence.
Muzaffarids (Somalia) - Wikipedia
It looks so fraudulent, Persians ruling Mogadishu? Unfortunately I don't know enough about Medieval Mogadishu so can @Emir of Zayla @Step a side @Idilinaa help clear this up for me please?
Yeah but he is saying Mogadishu was later taken over by Persians in the 15th century and ruled Benadir until the 17th century which is just wack.
I ended up replying to him and he gave me this wikipedia link as evidence.
Muzaffarids (Somalia) - Wikipedia
It looks so fraudulent, Persians ruling Mogadishu? Unfortunately I don't know enough about Medieval Mogadishu so can @Emir of Zayla @Step a side @Idilinaa help clear this up for me please?
I actually spoke about it in another thread. It's completely fabricated by Enrico Cerulli.
Basically this made up persian dynasty is linked to name similarities, between the common Muslim title Al-Muzzafar and some random Persian dynasty called ''Muzzafarids'' in the 15th century which have no connections to eachother.
I know of this manuscript which Enrico Cerulli revises and adds his own nonsense speculations on top of, distorting the real information it posses.
Because the name Muzzafar , it does not seem to be a dynasty at all. Al-Muzzafar is a title , you have various muslim emirs and sultans throughout the medieval period in different polities wearing it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Muzaffar
It's like claiming this random Amir wearing the title Al-Muzzafar who ruled Al-Andalus was from the same Persian/Arab dynasty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Malik_al-Muzaffar
We get a clarification in the contemporay historical sources because Ibn Hajar mentions Mogadishu Sultan wearing the title Al-Muzafar in the 14th century going back 3 generations wearing their honourifics/titles.
Al-Mansur is also a title or a nickname. Like that Al-Andalus ruler his predecessor was nicknamed it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almanzor
Al-Mansoor Al-Muzzafar Al-Muayyad etcs are honorifics meaning ''The Victorious''
And you can clear see that it's not a dynastic name but a title and it doesn't trace back to the 16th century to a made up Arabo-Persian -Somali familly.
In short there was no Muzzafar dynasty. And i explained some time ago that also Ajuuran was just a local nickname for urban administrators taxing and cordination rural populations production.
But they misrepresent this to make it seem like there was two separate governing bodies , one on the interior and one on the coast. Which is not the case because locals refer to tombs with title such as ''Amir'' ''Naib' and governor forts on the coast collectively as ajuuran. So its an umbrella name for state leaders , its not very different to how Majerteen rural people called towns men that stayed temporarily among them as ''Saladiins''
Through historical documented mentions and surviving coins we know many of the names of Mogadishu sultans. Feel free to check it out, i learned a lot more from scrolling the past threads on here: We can probably know more if we dig through the arabic sources
Sultan Ali ibn Yusuf of Mogadishu mentioned by Ibn Hajar al Asqalani
In Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani mentions the Sultan of Mogadishu Ali ibn Yusuf ibn Umar ibn Anwar died in 1432 funnily enough Ibn Battuta mentions Abu Bakr ibn Umar as the ruler of Mogadishu in 1331. Can we assume that Ali ibn Yusuf ibn Umar who died in 1432 is the Nephew of Abu Bakr ibn Umar who was...
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