”Somali ethnicity is fake”

[Ya.dhahay]

They’re literally the offspring of two and three different races who arrived recently, yet they’re natives?

call them ’native’ if u want, don’t call them that if u dont want to. Either way they’re not headed anywhere.

othering and attempting to alienate ppl u’ll end up sharing a country with is stupid.

 

[vivids]

Race is not biology. Ancient mix or not, every group is a mix of people who came from elsewhere and intermingled.

Even some of our parents are mix created by a union between people who lived in distant portions of historical inhabited areas.

We are mix that inherit separate portions ancestry from our parents even. We are all a mix.

You can’t compare two somalis from different parts of the country getting together with mixed groups like cadcads. We’re not the same and that’s okay.

 

[Pearl of the Indian Ocean]

call them ’native’ if u want, don’t call them that if u dont want to. Either way they’re not headed anywhere.

othering and attempting to alienate ppl u’ll end up sharing a country with is stupid.

Once a certain someone becomes president and stabilises the country all minorities will be sent to their country of origin and Somalia will become an ethnostate which reaches to the top of the food chain

-Pearl of the Indian Ocean 2024 from Kadamjay, Kyrgyzstan

 

[Idilinaa]

They’re literally the offspring of two and three different races who arrived recently, yet they’re natives?

Utter nonsense the families you try to single out have lived in Somalia for centuries. They formed part of it.

And yes they are natives.

A native is someone who is born to a place or associated with a place by birth. It's not based on whether you have a single ancestor that arrived from india in year 1400s or not

native
/ˈneɪtɪv/
noun
noun: native; plural noun: natives

1. a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not.

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Anyone who is born in Somalia or assimilated for generations is a native. They have every right to be political participants inside Somalia and also run for presidency.

They are entitled to the same rights and considerations as everyone else.




It's not a slur and its not created by these ''minorities' you speak of. Nor is it a corruption, its hardly ever used any more not even by foreigners. The only place you might see this nickname is in textbooks from the past century. Most people don't even know it.


As far as J-word goes, it was never really used until very recently. It's really isn't a surprise it turned into a slur, it was created as some sort of racial distinguish-er mainly rooted in the hamitic colonial ideology.

Btw non arent native to somalia nor is it their lands and they arent part somali tribe or clan because they arent by patrilineage so they cant be somali also are somali diaspora that are born in Europe countries and western countries are they native and it is their land those Europeans countries and western countries
They aren't same goes to non somalis in somalia

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Utter nonsense the families you try to single out have lived in Somalia for centuries. They formed part of it.

And yes they are natives.

A native is someone who is born or associated with a place by birth.

That is western white definition not somali definition
When it comes somali definition they arent

 

[The Oponian Guild]

call them ’native’ if u want, don’t call them that if u dont want to. Either way they’re not headed anywhere.

othering and attempting to alienate ppl u’ll end up sharing a country with is stupid.

Wdym share? Most of them got killed or fled in the war, they have no connection or ties to Somalia anymore (if even they had any in the first place) And there’s other smaller Somali clans more deserving of a seat at the table than them.

 

[Pearl of the Indian Ocean]

Utter nonsense the families you try to single out have lived in Somalia for centuries. They formed part of it.

And yes they are natives.

A native is someone who is born or associated with a place by birth. It's not based on whether you have a single ancestor that arrived from india in year 1400s or not

This is dangerous and you know it

Can I who was born and bred in Kyrgyzstan for 19 years claim I'm native?

They're not native to Somalia and there's nothing wrong with being vocal about that

 

[Idilinaa]

Btw non arent native to somalia nor is it their lands and they arent part somali tribe or clan because they arent by patrilineage so they cant be somali also are somali diaspora that are born in Europe countries and western countries are they native and it is their land those Europeans countries and western countries
They aren't same goes to non somalis in somalia

Somali ancestry goes through maternal and paternal side. They are both equally important.

And also you are not Somali based on tribe alone, you are also so based on ancestry, language, culture or nationality/citizenship. Which most of them posses.

And a native is someone who born to a place. They are natives whether you like it or not.

 

[Idilinaa]

This is dangerous and you know it

Can I who was born and bred in Kyrgyzstan for 19 years claim I'm native?

They're not native to Somalia and there's nothing wrong with being vocal about that

Yes that's how it works. Someone who is born and grew up in a location is a native.

The only exception is probably Isreal, but that is racist apartheid state. It don't want Somalia to ever become like that.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Utter nonsense the families you try to single out have lived in Somalia for centuries. They formed part of it.

And yes they are natives.

A native is someone who is born to a place or associated with a place by birth. It's not based on whether you have a single ancestor that arrived from india in year 1400s or not

They don’t live in Somalia anymore nor will they ever return. Lol trying to put Hindi baada soo tuuftay ahead of actual marginalised Somali clans.

 

[Idilinaa]

They don’t live in Somalia anymore nor will they ever return. Lol trying to put Hindi baada soo tuuftay ahead of actual marginalised Somali clans.

There is many that live in Somalia actually and a lot of the ones who left have returned to reinstate themselves as well. They even formed their own gurti/council and in the governing courts within their hometown from what i can tell.

People have shared videos on this . Aside from political system no one really treats them any different or think of them as hindi tuuftay.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Yes that's how it works. Someone who is born and grew up in a location is a native.

The only exception is probably Isreal, but that is racist apartheid state. It don't want Somalia to ever become like that.

If it’s wrong when it happens to the Palestinians, then it’s certainly wrong when it happens to other nations, I think we all know who’s Somali and who isn’t. so let’s not kid ourselves.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

There is many that live in Somalia actually and a lot of the ones who left have returned to reinstate themselves as well. They even formed their own gurti/council and courts within their hometown from what i can tell.

People have shared videos on this . Aside from the political system no one really treats them any different or think of them as hindi tuuftay.

at this point there’s more Syrians and Yemenis present in Somalia than them, and if the Yemenis and Syrians know their place as guests, what’s stopping them? Why the need to claim to be native? Why the need to appropriate and steal Somali history?

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Somali ancestry goes through maternal and paternal side. They are both equally important.

And also you are not Somali based on tribe alone, you are also so based on ancestry, language, culture or nationality/citizenship. Which most of them posses.

And a native is someone who born to a place. They are natives whether you like it or not.

When it comes who is somali somali identity base on paternal lineage which Tru father both somali culture and Islamic law
Being somali is base on forefathers lineage and tribe and not maternal lineage
Also no just cuz someone is born into our lands don't make our lands theirs nor make them native whether you like or not
Like I said somalis that are born in western countries aren't native to western countries nor is it their lands same goes to non somalis in somalia

 

[Idilinaa]

at this point there’s more Syrians and Yemenis present in Somalia than them, and if the Yemenis and Syrians know their place as guests, what’s stopping them? Why the need to claim to be native? Why the need to appropriate and steal Somali history?

I really wonder if those Somalis are such a small tiny group that you are trying to reduce them to be, why do they evoke such a threat to you. How can they appropriate the history they are apart of making and are included in? Waa caqli xuumo wallahi

If it’s wrong when it happens to the Palestinians, then it’s certainly wrong when it happens to other nations, I think we all know who’s Somali and who isn’t. so let’s not kid ourselves.

In Isreal , Jews discriminate even internally amongst eachother between Mizrahi , Sephardic and Ashkenazi. It's just a racist system overall

I want everyone in Somalia to be equal and feel like they belong. I want us to honour cultural and Islamic values of inclusion and cooperation and sharing.

I know that the civil war has strained our relationships with eachother and fracture Somalia, but i hope to see us all move passed it, forgive eachother and heal together.

 

[Ya.dhahay]

There is many that live in Somalia actually and a lot of the ones who left have returned to reinstate themselves as well. They even formed their own gurti/council and in the governing courts within their hometown from what i can tell.

People have shared videos on this . Aside from political system no one really treats them any different or think of them as hindi tuuftay.

Tbh the only people I’ve seen who think of them like that are people who are lookin to steal their lands/properties

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Somali ancestry goes through maternal and paternal side. They are both equally important.

And also you are not Somali based on tribe alone, you are also so based on ancestry, language, culture or nationality/citizenship. Which most of them posses.

And a native is someone who born to a place. They are natives whether you like it or not.

Also non somalis in somali dont have somali paternal lineage which they can't claim somali identity nor somali tribes and clans
Also someone speaking somali language don't make somali and somali language is mixed Arabic English Italia an other languages
I speak foreigner language which don't make me foreign

 

[Idilinaa]

Also non somalis in somali dont have somali paternal lineage which they can't claim somali identity nor somali tribes and clans
Also someone speaking somali language don't make somali and somali language is mixed Arabic English Italia an other languages
I speak foreigner language which don't make me foreign

Whats with the emphasis on paternal lineage. When Somalis also trace descent through their maternal side via ''Bah'' and ''Habar'' . Your maternal side is never ignored or irrelevant it's an important connection.

And at the same time, someone is a Somali through not only their ancestry, but also culture, language and nationality.

Also even if someone is of mixed cultural background. They can be both, they are not mutually exclusive to each-other.

Tbh the only people I’ve seen who think of them like that are people who are lookin to steal their lands/properties

It's tragic thing , so many Somalis lost their land and property to thugs with guns and hooligans.

I remember hearing that during the outbreak of the civil war they would loot and take peoples properties and justify it by saying ''This is Siad Barre's property we are confiscating'' so initially it was just blind hatred towards him, almost like those rioters you see in the UK, Kenya shouting ''Ruto out'' in recent memories or the BLM protesters in Minneapolis some years back.

When the ICU took over, they started to reinstate people's properties back and land. I hope we can see this happen again. There are many abandoned building and houses believe it or not, so that's another potentiality we can encourage more to come back to.

 

[Rayaale]

I think discussions like these can never be civil on Sspot

Any criticism towards Bantus and you'll have a herd of users punishing you and the double standard on this cursed site is ridiculous; a couple of responses in and you've got OP advocated for the term J*reer to be dropped but the equivalent word against Ethnic Somalis 'has a nice ring to it'??

Either way, Somali Bantus and any other minorities incorporated within Somalia are not native and never will be and anyone who pushes this is either a self hater or an outsider with wrong intentions

This popped on Reddit,the responses were heated. https://www.reddit.com/r/Somalia/s/1Lj6j7RORT