A Denied History - Migurtenia

[Ras]

I doubt it will because it will cause fractures inside puntland. Waa lagu heeshiyay midnimada somaliyeed waa lama tabtan ah, ninka tabtana wa nin radinayo inay umada is disho, even though i disagree sometimes but you have to respect the wishes of the people waxay ku heeshiyeen. Meeshu ma aha jamhad yar oo qol isku soo xirtay oo somaliland ku dhawaqday kadibna qori caradisa ku hirgelisay. Puntland waa beelo hubaysan oo jamhad ahaa oo isku timi oo siyasad guud samaystay, waxad tahay loser weligeed kama dhicin somalia beelo jamhad ahaa oo mamul samaystan oo siyasadooda midayan.

Hartigu waxay ku heeshiyeen in federal la ahaado iyo midnimada somaliyeed lama tabtan ah. Wax kale naga dhaxayo run ahanti aan taasi ahayn ma jirto iyo si somali loo muujiyo inay harti diyaar yihin, waxaa laysku heeshiyay in aan anagu isjeclano oo somali tusino inay dhab naga tahay siyasada dee. Puntland waxan ku jecel ahay ma aha dad 'siyasad' ku sheegayo, iyaga isku dhaqayo waxay sheegayan si ay indhagu marqati ku noqoto oo aysan ahayn af keliya

Lol dude work on your paragraphs. It's already hard enough trying to read it in afsomali.

Puntland has our blessing to leave. The constitution in Xamar won't be done for at least a decade. Would make sense to fix your own disagreements asap and go off on your own instead of wasting time.

I'll be sending over spiritual support when you try to take Sanaag.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Horta there is good and bad points of independence lakin the bad points are too many to list.

Xal majerten weeye hadan ku doodno waxasi ma aha xal somaliyeed. If we use all our historical justifications such as 1929 deal between east and south to join together, we can play that game, lakin waxay keenaysa xal majertene only, somali civil war halkeedi bay ka si soconaysa ileen dhibku waa qabiil ee ma aha colonial iyo sidi la ahan jiray.

Marka shirku waxaa laga hadlaye xal somaliyeed ma ahayn xal harti aha ama xal majerten ah oo keenayso keliya inay dagaalka somaliyeed halkeedi ka si socoto oo aysan waxba iska badelmin. We have waxgarads sxb and the most in somalia, federalism is the answer to cure qabiil problems so each qabil starts with himself and his neighbor so other somalis can see inaad wanaag wado kadib la wada hadlo. Midnimada somaliyeed waa muqadas si aan la noqon jaziro yar sida jabuti waa arin lagu heeshiyay. Heeshishkasi waxay dhex martay SSDF-USP-SDU ma ahayn shir ssdf oo kadib ku duulay usp iyo sdu, you guys dont understand puntland and just make bad policy decision waa inaad garata dadka meeshasi joggo waxay yihin iyo siday uu unkumeen or your policies will not work and fail as presidents keep changing and somalis keep being stalled

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Farm Equipment just because the south was under italy, doesn't mean majertenia had anything to with it. We had our own agreements and were recognized as a sultanates, we were similar to eritrea who was also under italy, does that mean they are the same as the southern deal? each one had separate deals with the italians, we didn't have a unified deal till 1929, which came at considerable loss and deaths and attacks on mijertenia sultanates and we can prove it with pictures and images of the time. King Osman was adamant not to join Italian Somalia, keenadiid fed the italians lies about his kingdom to bring him under his dynasty in the south.

That's why hawiye says isaaq ka dhow midow somaliyeed then majerten oo si qalbi nadif ku soo biiray 160, halka majertenka iyo dadkina bay tiri nadiif iska daaye, waa lagu duulay oo dagaal iyo dhiig badan ba dhacay intay ka aqbaleen bari iyo koonfur inay heeshish galan 1929.

My mother explained it to me, xoog iyo qasab ayaa lagu soo geliyay majerteniya bay tiri iyo awoowayashinu, ma rabin somalia bay tiri weligood, waana sababta ay hawiye iyo isaaq isku dhow yihin bay tiri.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Farm Equipment you need to understand somalia from the right lenses and not that it started in 1960, the elders do not know that as the REAL DEAL. The real deal is when 1929 the eastern empire of somalia joined Italian Somalia in a unified deal and they say you guys had to be killed and attacked before you would join, where-as the somalilanders they came peacefully and why a-lot of old hawiyes remember this and pass it to their kids that majerten are enemies to them and not so much isaaq.

Because somali is 4 jiho. Koonfur-Waqoyi-Bari-Galbeed. Isku darki bari iyo koonfur iyo wixi ka dhacay hawiye way xasustan iyo xumantu waagaa bay jirtay halka waqoyi dad fican bay uu arkan. Galbeedna sheekadisa lama arkin bala yirahda iyo ogaden oo ethiopia galay lakin inay ka si daran yihin majertenka bay uu badan tahay ayay yirahdan.

 

[Farm]

@DR OSMAN I support leaving this failed union, 1929 was a colossal mistake .

 

[DR OSMAN]

A-lot of Somali hatred stems from the unions that happened. The only one mentioned is 1960 and the 'northern' one because it was 'peaceful' and they don't want to mention the 'eastern' union in 1929 waxaa laga baqaya inay somali ku kala fogaato oo la arko dhiiga ku daatay bariga oo diidana inay yimadan hamar way qariyan bay dhahan hawiyuhu especially my 'reer abti' ayaa ii sheego, so there is-alot of hatred on both sides and I am in the middle and listen to each case based on it's merits niyahow.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Farm Equipment there is some truth when my abtis say somalinimada ay sheegayan waa halkee, marki xoog iyo duulan lagu soo qaaday bay ku bireen koonfurta in 1929 oo boqorkooda xabsi hamar la geliyay. Siday hada yihin oo puntlandkasi ah hadi aan lagu duulin oo xoog loo gabsan way adag inay ku soo biiran somalia waana sababta ay hawiye yirahdan isaaq ka dhow midnimo oo sharaf ku yimi oo aan dhiig la daadin. They really dont like us sxb, especially the ones who remember the history.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Farm Equipment sxb the hatred runs deep in the south and as puntites we need to acknowledge what their reasons are and if it's valid and not deny it and go back n forth in a circle with them for 30 years, dib u heeshin dhab ah oo runta laysu sheego illa ay ka dhacdo somalia sidan la kala ahanaya oo layska inkirayo waxaa laysu haysto oo ay dadka 'hore' qayb wayn ka yihin waana sababta uu kheyre yiri 'dhalinyarada haloo dhiibo dalka' because qurunka iyo salkisa waa dadki xasuusto tarikhda lakin anigu ma aminsani inay dhalinyaradu ka duwanan doonto ileen waalidkooda ayaa uu sheegayo tarikhda siday anigu waalidayda ii sheegeen. Aniguse labada dhinac baan ka aqana waxay isku haystan ileen way ii sheegaan, i listen to each equally because they my family hawiye n darod.

That's why dadka dhexdhexadka ah are calling for 'dib uu heeshin' inay dhacdo oo sharci iyo nidaam la samaysto oo aan lagu si jirin mugdigani oo aysan cidina dan ugu jirin oo qof walbo la dhegaysto wuxu tabanayo. I listen to both sides and why I realized their has to be reconciliation ama dadkani ma isla shaqayn karan.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

@Farm Equipment sxb the hatred runs deep in the south and as puntites we need to acknowledge what their reasons are and if it's valid and not deny it and go back n forth in a circle with them for 30 years, dib u heeshin dhab ah oo runta laysu sheego illa ay ka dhacdo somalia sidan la kala ahanaya oo layska inkirayo waxaa laysu haysto oo ay dadka 'hore' qayb wayn ka yihin waana sababta uu kheyre yiri 'dhalinyarada haloo dhiibo dalka' because qurunka iyo salkisa waa dadki xasuusto tarikhda

Soomalia kheyr baan u rajeenayaa. Jubbalandna kheyr baan u rajeenayaa, all 200 tribes. I will put all my time and effort in to harti and puntland ilahay baa meel fiican na isku ururiyey.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Farm Equipment @Libaaxseendheer @Libaaxa cayn @Reer-Bari @Reiko @Abdalla @Crow @Sheikh @Boqor Quark Boqor Cisman @Cognitivedissonance @nine @Cabdi @Suldaanka I am happy we don't do this


That jabhad SNM Muse bihi could've been our story also if it was 'SSDF' conference were we argue we want to restore ex-miguirtinia based on italian colonial borders and reject the 1929 failed union where we were forced to join not thru our free will and counter isaaq and say you joined freely, we were 'attacked' and forcefully removed from our previous agreement.

Then use this map from italian colonial govt administrations demarcating our boders to keenadiid territory, imagine that? us running around to habar gedir-murusade based on pre-colonial italian borders and saying you were our subjects.

Koley sheekadasi way dhci kartay hadi 'puntland independence movement' garab at the time won the discussons, we decided not to pursue a 'tribal' project that benefits 'majerten' if we did, hartiga iyo darodka kale nama raci lahayn sida USP-SDU. Marka hawiye wa inu garta, inay puntland uu taagan tahay arimo somaliyeed oo aysan uu fadhin arin majertene, waxay watan siyasad somali dhan lagu xal heli karo, ma aha siyasad uu gaar ah majerten sxb siday mamada halkan ku tiri

 

[DR OSMAN]

I wish somalis accept federalism isn't a majerten benefit project, if it was 3 jamhad oo hubaysan iskuma raci lahayn sheeko xal majerten ah, please accept this as hawiyes and use your reasoning ability. We can pursue a majerten solution if we so desired and many were among us at the time who wanted to do but were told to 'sit down' and leave in-fact while others refused to attend puntland conference solely for that purpose who wanted a separate puntland.

 

[embarassing]

How about you show your Hawiye Murursade Mom your posts?

Why would anyone take someone who doesn't respect their own mother serious? What a qasaro.
Its just another one here projecting their self-hate and personal issues, as usual.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Why would anyone take someone who doesn't respect their own mother serious? What a qasaro.
Its just another one here projecting their self-hate and personal issues, as usual.

Hadan darod nahay uma fadhisano jamhad usc like your tribe to kill other people qurun qurun dhalay ah. We sit to talk 'xal somaliyeed' we are not made from the same cloth brother. Balaayo kugu dhacday. qurun qurun d halay ba tahay waryaa xasuuq beeleed ku shiraysan, you niggas need to be sorted out.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

@Farm Equipment @Libaaxseendheer @Libaaxa cayn @Reer-Bari @Reiko @Abdalla @Crow @Sheikh @Boqor Quark Boqor Cisman @Cognitivedissonance @nine @Cabdi @Suldaanka I am happy we don't do this


That jabhad SNM Muse bihi could've been our story also if it was 'SSDF' conference were we argue we want to restore ex-miguirtinia based on italian colonial borders and reject the 1929 failed union where we were forced to join not thru our free will and counter isaaq and say you joined freely, we were 'attacked' and forcefully removed from our previous agreement.

Then use this map from italian colonial govt administrations demarcating our boders to keenadiid territory, imagine that? us running around to habar gedir-murusade based on pre-colonial italian borders and saying you were our subjects.

Koley sheekadasi way dhci kartay hadi 'puntland independence movement' garab at the time won the discussons, we decided not to pursue a 'tribal' project that benefits 'majerten' if we did, hartiga iyo darodka kale nama raci lahayn sida USP-SDU. Marka hawiye wa inu garta, inay puntland uu taagan tahay arimo somaliyeed oo aysan uu fadhin arin majertene, waxay watan siyasad somali dhan lagu xal heli karo, ma aha siyasad uu gaar ah majerten sxb siday mamada halkan ku tiri

@Farm Equipment @Libaaxseendheer @Libaaxa cayn @Reer-Bari @Reiko @Abdalla @Crow @Sheikh @Boqor Quark Boqor Cisman @Cognitivedissonance @nine @Cabdi @Suldaanka I am happy we don't do this


That jabhad SNM Muse bihi could've been our story also if it was 'SSDF' conference were we argue we want to restore ex-miguirtinia based on italian colonial borders and reject the 1929 failed union where we were forced to join not thru our free will and counter isaaq and say you joined freely, we were 'attacked' and forcefully removed from our previous agreement.

Then use this map from italian colonial govt administrations demarcating our boders to keenadiid territory, imagine that? us running around to habar gedir-murusade based on pre-colonial italian borders and saying you were our subjects.

Koley sheekadasi way dhci kartay hadi 'puntland independence movement' garab at the time won the discussons, we decided not to pursue a 'tribal' project that benefits 'majerten' if we did, hartiga iyo darodka kale nama raci lahayn sida USP-SDU. Marka hawiye wa inu garta, inay puntland uu taagan tahay arimo somaliyeed oo aysan uu fadhin arin majertene, waxay watan siyasad somali dhan lagu xal heli karo, ma aha siyasad uu gaar ah majerten sxb siday mamada halkan ku tiri

Kaddaab been badan"jiida hore ee tuqaraq kusugan" kulaha. You are in the wilderness. Duur joog, his pants got caught by qodxo.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I must note Puntland has wasted since 1998 convincing the nation of Federalism. We need to talk about secession now and how it can be done with the least amount of deaths possible? Colonial borders of ex majertenia? New deal style like balkans were broken up using 'civil war excuse' not colonial? ethnic tribalism homogenity card like japan so we unite harti lands and denounce somaliland as separate 'treaties' and not a unified treaty project?

We need to explore options not stay with one solution for 20 years and nothing is coming. Somali haday wanaag rabin laguma qasbi kare, lakin waa laga tashan kara waa inay noqoto shirkeena labad. Ka tashiga somaliya iyo mustaqbalkeeda.

I suggest the balkan method and using the civil war as justification for balkanizing Somalia to the united nations as the best solution. We must argue it's best we save what we can from Somalia rather then focus on saving 'all somalia' when it's not feasible. We need another big conference like 1998 which hasn't happened to direct our political vision.

 

[GBTarmy]

I must note Puntland has wasted since 1998 convincing the nation of Federalism. We need to talk about secession now and how it can be done with the least amount of deaths possible? Colonial borders of ex majertenia? New deal style like balkans were broken up using 'civil war excuse' not colonial? ethnic tribalism homogenity card like japan so we unite harti lands and denounce somaliland as separate 'treaties' and not a unified treaty project?

We need to explore options not stay with one solution for 20 years and nothing is coming. Somali haday wanaag rabin laguma qasbi kare, lakin waa laga tashan kara waa inay noqoto shirkeena labad. Ka tashiga somaliya iyo mustaqbalkeeda.

I suggest the balkan method and using the civil war as justification for balkanizing Somalia to the united nations as the best solution. We must argue it's best we save what we can from Somalia rather then focus on saving 'all somalia' when it's not feasible. We need another big conference like 1998 which hasn't happened to direct our political vision.

Majeerteenia, we gave them governance what more do they need?

 

[embarassing]

The levels of delusion and shamelessness on the forum are unreal. Some of you need to try and step back into reality every now and then to keep yourselves grounded.

Its becoming like an echo chamber for some to try and sell their false take on history.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The levels of delusion and shamelessness on the forum are unreal. Some of you need to try and step back into reality every now and then to keep yourselves grounded.

Its becoming like an echo chamber for some to try and sell their false take on history.

That's what ina qasim salat said when puntland was created, he called it 'balaayo land' and dreaming. Anything is possible in Puntland wa haday tashdane.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

I must note Puntland has wasted since 1998 convincing the nation of Federalism. We need to talk about secession now and how it can be done with the least amount of deaths possible? Colonial borders of ex majertenia? New deal style like balkans were broken up using 'civil war excuse' not colonial? ethnic tribalism homogenity card like japan so we unite harti lands and denounce somaliland as separate 'treaties' and not a unified treaty project?

We need to explore options not stay with one solution for 20 years and nothing is coming. Somali haday wanaag rabin laguma qasbi kare, lakin waa laga tashan kara waa inay noqoto shirkeena labad. Ka tashiga somaliya iyo mustaqbalkeeda.

I suggest the balkan method and using the civil war as justification for balkanizing Somalia to the united nations as the best solution. We must argue it's best we save what we can from Somalia rather then focus on saving 'all somalia' when it's not feasible. We need another big conference like 1998 which hasn't happened to direct our political vision.

What do you think we can accomplish by breaking off and chasing ictiraaf like sl. Ay thought long and hard and came up with mamul gobleed. And its simply imposible for somalia to stop the snowball effect created eversince:4 new mamul gobleed, deserts turning cities and roads,military becoming more powerful, do you really think sade hawiye alliance can stop the militarization of jland pland.? Will they come and disarm og and mj and warsan and dhulo?, what more can we ask for osmaanow. Breaking off isnt a solution this deep in.

 

[Farm]

What do you think we can accomplish by breaking off and chasing ictiraaf like sl. Ay thought long and hard and came up with mamul gobleed. And its simply imposible for somalia to stop the snowball effect created eversince:4 new mamul gobleed, deserts turning cities and roads,military becoming more powerful, do you really think sade hawiye alliance can stop the militarization of jland pland.? Will they come and disarm og and mj and warsan and dhulo?, what more can we ask for osmaanow. Breaking off isnt a solution this deep in.

We should just develop our regions and just pretend xamar doesn’t exist, we don’t have to secede to develop.