Abyssinians

[madaxweyne]

you’re such a beg
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stop hyping up Ethiopians 24/7 u weirdo

first of all i could care less if were racially related i try to be non biased as possible and relay the facts to the best of my ability

also selassie did that when his army was defeated and he forced peasents with sticks to save his ass from the Italians in reality the ethiopians were armed with cannons ,rifles and even artillery by that point

menalik would even use rifles to defeat the italians in battle

 

[Pipit]

first of all i could care less if were racially related i try to be non biased as possible and relay the facts to the best of my ability

Hmm so you don’t believe in that “Muh CuShIte” meme


“Selassie did that when his army was defeated and he forced peasents with sticks”

Selassie was forced to use bows and spears after losing only 150 men lol

(Same source)
That shows you how primitive his military was

 

[The alchemist]

Have you ever tried editing wikipedia? It is a nightmare, especially when you edit the active pages that get patrolled by wikipedia nerds.

They come at you with 100 different rules. Especially ''No original research''. I gave up on that place.

The "No original research" rule is a good thing. I don't like it when texts in Wikipedia articles states something, but then don't have any citations or references an unreliable source. They could at least formulate the specific sentence in a way that emphasizes uncertainty, rather than fact, or leave it out completely.

 

[Marquis]

Hmm so you don’t believe in that “Muh CuShIte brodur” meme


“Selassie did that when his army was defeated and he forced peasents with sticks”

Selassie was forced to use bows and spears after losing only 150 men lolView attachment 127902
(Same source)
That shows you how primitive his military was

The great Adwa myth has contributed to Ethiopian exceptionalism. People, without being aware, fall for it and believe Ethiopia was an advanced nation surrounded by primitive barbarians, a shining light in Black Africa.

 

[Apollo]

The "No original research" rule is a good thing. I don't like it when texts in Wikipedia articles states something, but then don't have any citations or references an unreliable source. They could at least formulate the specific sentence in a way that emphasizes uncertainty, rather than fact, or leave it out completely.

It was a bad example I gave, but there are a million other rules they can throw at you.

Also, there is a lot of politics going on there behind the scene. Some people coordinate with each other off platform to create a false sense of consensus (see Wikipedia:Meat puppetry). I don't bother anymore. But if you try it out, you will similarly face all these issues.

 

[madaxweyne]

Hmm so you don’t believe in that “Muh CuShIte” meme


“Selassie did that when his army was defeated and he forced peasents with sticks”

Selassie was forced to use bows and spears after losing only 150 men lolView attachment 127902
(Same source)
That shows you how primitive his military was

I dont defend people just becouse thier cushite lool
Bro you realy dont know much about the second abysinian war

Olol dinle of kelafo lead the first ever attack on an entrenched ethiopian position as far as i know both sides used rifles and ethiopians even used cannons and artillery which olol later took from them

See for yourself

 

[Invader]

@Habane why are you silent when we found out who you are

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

@Habane why are you silent when we found out who you are

Who is he

 

[Cam]

War waxaan naga kaxay

 

[xabashi]

She's Harari. That's not new information, it's common knowledge.

This is categorically false. I'm not sure I've seen even one scholar say that.

Looks like it.

I'm not a historian but I can tell from her name that her name is Amharic. del Wambara or in Amharic ድል ወንበሯ means "victroy is her seat" or "her seat is victory" and bati to this day is a place in Wollo, Amhara region where also the majority of Amhara muslims live. I highly doubt his wife is harari or Somali just from her name. This is highly unlikely. To be honest, I never thought the Imam or his army to be Somali as I grew up. We all thought he is Ethiopian muslim and the conflict was a religion war between Ethiopians. Only in the diaspora I heard Somalis also claim him which is weird for me. I think Siad Barre might have misused this conflict as if this was between two states (Ethiopia and Somalia). Which is of course BS. Don't get me wrong, the imam can be ethnically somali but there was no Somali state at the time that has any enmity with the Abyssinian Empire. It is all a late myth that never existed. I always laugh when Somalis try to portray the Ethio-Somali war of the 1977 as if it was a continuation of the Adal-Abyssinian war which are completely unrelated. But most somalis seem brain washed by the fake connection.

 

[Habane]

Imam Ahmed was a Beja (Balaw) from Hubat

 

[Habane]

I'm not a historian but I can tell from her name that her name is Amharic. del Wambara or in Amharic ድል ወንበሯ means "victroy is her seat" or "her seat is victory" and bati to this day is a place in Wollo, Amhara region where also the majority of Amhara muslims live. I highly doubt his wife is harari or Somali just from her name. This is highly unlikely. To be honest, I never thought the Imam or his army to be Somali as I grew up. We all thought he is Ethiopian muslim and the conflict was a religion war between Ethiopians. Only in the diaspora I heard Somalis also claim him which is weird for me. I think Siad Barre might have misused this conflict as if this was between two states (Ethiopia and Somalia). Which is of course BS. Don't get me wrong, the imam can be ethnically somali but there was no Somali state at the time that has any enmity with the Abyssinian Empire. It is all a late myth that never existed. I always laugh when Somalis try to portray the Ethio-Somali war of the 1977 as if it was a continuation of the Adal-Abyssinian war which are completely unrelated. But most somalis seem brain washed by the fake connection.

Bati according to the commentary in the book means lady (noble title for women).Many Ethio-Semitic peoples who don't exist anymore due to Oromo expansion and the Somali and even the Afar expansions have assimilated these Ethio-Semitic Muslims groups who went to war with the Habesha infidels like yourself.Imam Ahmed did not concern himself with ethnic identity but rather as a muslim.Reading about him in the Futuh, I was surprisingly astonished, he was a brave young man with love for his religion and fighting against the oppression of the Orthodox emperors of Abysinnia.

May Allah grant him martyrdom!

 

[Pipit]

Imam Ahmed was a Beja (Balaw) from Hubat
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Lol first you said he was an Abyssinian from Shewa now you’re saying he’s belew from hararghe/dire dawa area even tho they don’t live in that area

there’s a subclan of Sexawle Karanle that lives in hoobaad called balaaw, I’m pretty sure @embarassing is from that subclan

 

[Habane]

Lol first you said he was an Abyssinian from Shewa now you’re saying he’s belew even tho they don’t live in that area

there’s a subclan of Sexawle Karanle that lives in hoobaad called balaaw, I’m pretty sure @embarassing is from that subclan

He was ethnically Balaw but his ancestors were invited by the Ethio-Semitic muslim Sultaan Sacaddiin of the Walashma dynasty.They lived for generations among these Ethio-Semitic muslims like they did in Eritrea in their original homeland

 

[Habane]

Seeing a lot of we wuz Imamz and Emirz n shieet in this thread.You negroes ain't that different from the other blacks you despise

 

[Odkac WRLD]

Have you read the Futuh? Wallahi Somalis were peripheral people used as mercenaries in the Ethio-Semitic muslims civil wars and later on the Imam Ahmed from Hubat (In Shewa) invited some clans (Darood,Isaaq & Dir) in the war but we were only one-third of the army. The Imam's wife was also called Bati Delwambara, does that shit sound Somali to you?

His father was Ibrahim Bin Ahmed, who was chief of the Balaw Hawiye clan in Hubat (@Pipit you were on the right track).

Indeed, his wife was Harari, and the daughter of one of his top commanders. Nobody can deny that.

The thing is Somalis, Darood in particular, actually played a rather huge role in his empire. The Marehan were a large force in Adal. Darood Somalis held honorable positions of note in the field.

If you are skeptical, just look how many times the Marehan were referenced in the Futah, over a dozen times to be exact. Somali mentioned 70+ times. This hints they were a bit more than lowly mercenaries.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Are you pro-Ethiopia sxb

How am I pro Ethiopian the sick man of East Africa is Ethiopia.

 

[Habane]

His father was Ibrahim Bin Ahmed, who was chief of the Balaw Hawiye clan in Hubat (@Pipit you were on the right track).
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Indeed, his wife was Harari, and the daughter of one of his top commanders. Nobody can deny that.

The thing is Somalis, Darood in particular, actually played a rather huge role in his empire. The Marehan were a large force in Adal. Darood Somalis held honorable positions of note in the field.
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If you are skeptical, just look how many times the Marehan were referenced in the Futah, over a dozen times to be exact. Somali mentioned 70+ times. This hints they were a bit more than lowly mercenaries.

Imam Ahmed wasn't Somali, everytime a Somali is mentioned in the Futuh they add the epithet of "the Somali" or As-Sumaali in Arabic.The Imam,his wife and majority of the muslim principalities of the Horn were ruled by non-Somalis.The Somalis were peripheral people who lived as nomads and would involve themselves in politics in order to get paid or the opportunity to loot for booty.

Ahmed Gurey the Somali was the leader of my Habar Magaadle Isaaq branch (Habar Awal, Garxajis,Ayub and Arap).Somalis are mistakening the two men.The Imam is of Eritrean origin from Balaw tribe that lives North of the Tigray while Axmed Gurey was an Isaaq man

 

[xabashi]

Bati according to the commentary in the book means lady (noble title for women).Many Ethio-Semitic peoples who don't exist anymore due to Oromo expansion and the Somali and even the Afar expansions have assimilated these Ethio-Semitic Muslims groups who went to war with the Habesha infidels like yourself.Imam Ahmed did not concern himself with ethnic identity but rather as a muslim.Reading about him in the Futuh, I was surprisingly astonished, he was a brave young man with love for his religion and fighting against the oppression of the Orthodox emperors of Abysinnia.

May Allah grant him martyrdom!

Now that makes more sense and is more closer to the historical facts that it was more a religious war and never an ethnic conflict. In fact both the Abysinnian empire and the Adal were composed of different ethnic groups. Btw, I am a very happy infidel

 

[Habane]

If the Imam and the Walashma dynasty were Somali, why would they need to call the Marexaan chieftain a treacherous Somali?