Addressing the finate sin infinite hell argument

[Taij4an]

Foolish words. Allah misguided them for a reason. The punishment of hell is for the righteous to stay righteous and for the criminals to burn. Who are you to question your creator and maker. Do you actually seriously believe you can understand Allah. I mean Allah has infinite knowledge and who would actually restrain from desires if hell didn't exist. No one, that's who. But indeed Allah is the most merciful as he let's the disbelievers enjoy their life and he feeds them and more but instead you don't see this part of it. Indeed Jahannam is for the disbelievers who have chosen desires over their Lord.

They have God complex and think they know better than Allah
one of the reasons people go jahannam is for denying parts of the religion because it doesn't match their desires, they think they know better than Allah, it is a fitting punishment for arrogant peole

 

[Taij4an]

What freedom? The lord has written every single thing that would happen from first creation till the end days. He is the grand director of the cosmic play. what choices do humans have? None.

Everything you and I will ever do is already set in stone by the lord, and NOTHING could change it. According to islam; if a person is destined to go to hell, they'll find it easy to perform bad deeds and vice versa.

See the following:

Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh))
(7)"We will make smooth for him the path for evil." (V.92:10)(7)باب ‏{‏فَسَنُيَسِّرُهُ لِلْعُسْرَى‏}‏
Sahih al-Bukhari 4949
Narrated `Ali:

While the Prophet (ﷺ) was in a funeral procession. he picked up something and started scraping the ground with it, and said, "There is none among you but has his place written for him either in the Hell Fire or in Paradise." They said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we not depend upon what has been written for us and give up deeds? He said, "Carry on doing (good) deeds, for everybody will find easy to do such deeds as will lead him to his destined place for which he has been created. So he who is destined to be among the happy (in the Hereafter), will find it easy to do the deeds characteristic of such people, while he who is destined to be among the miserable ones, will find it easy to do the deeds characteristic of such people." Then he recited: 'As for him who gives (in charity) and fears Allah, and believes in the best....' (92.5-10)

حَدَّثَنَا آدَمُ، حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ سَعْدَ بْنَ عُبَيْدَةَ، يُحَدِّثُ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ السُّلَمِيِّ، عَنْ عَلِيٍّ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ قَالَ كَانَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي جَنَازَةٍ فَأَخَذَ شَيْئًا فَجَعَلَ يَنْكُتُ بِهِ الأَرْضَ فَقَالَ ‏"‏ مَا مِنْكُمْ مِنْ أَحَدٍ إِلاَّ وَقَدْ كُتِبَ مَقْعَدُهُ مِنَ النَّارِ وَمَقْعَدُهُ مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالُوا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ أَفَلاَ نَتَّكِلُ عَلَى كِتَابِنَا وَنَدَعُ الْعَمَلَ قَالَ ‏"‏ اعْمَلُوا فَكُلٌّ مُيَسَّرٌ لِمَا خُلِقَ لَهُ، أَمَّا مَنْ كَانَ مِنْ أَهْلِ السَّعَادَةِ فَيُيَسَّرُ لِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ السَّعَادَةِ، وَأَمَّا مَنْ كَانَ مِنْ أَهْلِ الشَّقَاءِ فَيُيَسَّرُ لِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ الشَّقَاوَةِ ‏"‏‏.‏ ثُمَّ قَرَأَ ‏{‏فَأَمَّا مَنْ أَعْطَى وَاتَّقَى * وَصَدَّقَ بِالْحُسْنَى‏}‏ الآيَةَ‏.‏
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 4949
In-book reference : Book 65, Hadith 471
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith

Link:

Sahih al-Bukhari 4949 - Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)) - كتاب التفسير - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

yes its easy for you to do bad deeds because you prefer blindness over guidance, it is your own choice, The predestination is determined on what choices you want to make

 

[Taij4an]

No matter how you look at it, no matter how much philosophy you invoke to understand it; the concept of eternal reward/punishment in akhira is nonsensical. An all powerful, all knowing and all merciful deity wouldn't punish/reward simple creatures for finite pre-ordained actions they have undertaken.

Who said?

 

[Qahwe]

I'm one of those guys who had issues about the problem of Hell, but what you've said makes a lot of sense.

When you think about the possible outcomes of death, we come to see that if God exists as we understand Him to exist, then the punishment He defines as just logically must be based on a form of divine knowledge most likely beyond our comprehension.

If there is no God and nothing happens when we die, then it doesn't matter anyway.

So logically, you should live as if God exists, as you will not be able to adequately predict the ramifications of said Being's existence.

That’s agnosticism, right?

 

[MrDeeni1]

Who said?

Good question “who said “.

This guys own nafs. His arrogance jumps out at you right.

 

[Taij4an]

Good question “who said “.

This guys own nafs. His arrogance jumps out at you right.

All of them use their nafs they think they are smart.
1.They have a finite piece of knowledge, after growing up and learning some math and science
2.They have a subjective view of life influenced by their emotions and own limitations
3.They have a bias against hell due to the severity of torture
4.They jumped to many conclusions and assumptions using their limited knowledge and experience and knowledge of life to oppose what God who has infinite knowledge said

Same with sheikh google when he said humans were not giants in the past, he thinks its ridiculous, why? because some random guy went up to him and told him about some science, then he completely believed the information without even questioning it, and then he jumped to various conclusions about how the modern day observation applies to the past then completely denied the fact that the Quran says humans were giants in the past.
In fact all these guys are stupid, because they put more trust in their own logic or someone elses than God, which is why Allah mentions people who take their hawaa as a God are going to hell.

He created humans from a sperm-drop, then—behold!—they openly challenge ˹Him˺.
16:4
shows how arrogant humans are