Chaseyourdreamzz
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its best to work with what we got the era of assimilation of different ethnic groups in Africa is pretty much over tbh
Afar assimilation
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Peace between Afars and Somalis is vital for both. Both share one faith, both share culture and history.
this is the picture of Eritrean Navy General Hummad Karikare meeting Somali President Hassan Sheikh during Hassan sheiks trip to Eritrea in 2022. Hummad Karikatur is Eritrean Afar. He was the pioneer of the Eritrean Navy, governed southern Eritrea, Denkalia and he liberated the Afar of Ethiopia during TPLFs of the Afar region in 2021-2022
both were brothers
when Hummad passed a way this year, many Somalis even here on SSpot send their condolences
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Afars didnt pose much of a threat compared to ethiopian highlanders who were raiding us many times also not to mention the fact they were held off by one subclan and the border status quo remained that way until today. I think the only reason for the short occupation of eritrean coast till suakin was to restrict ethiopias sea access and not really focusing on centralising power there 
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.Chaseyourdreamzz
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Most Somalis especially those from Somalia aren’t that familiar with afars the only Somalis I think that neighbour afars are @Khaem people and @Step a side people both in sitti region
Thats not true. You can look at Somali expansion/reconquest into Tana and Juba, it was multi clan based and organized during the 1800s and the clans in a certain area would bring in other clans for supports, some times they would bring in certain clans to develop farm land or grazing areas, and other clans to develop the coastal trade.
Most of it was cordinated and initiated by two centralized entities the Bardheere Emirate and Majerteen sultanate. I suspect the the eritrea coastal migration were in realities trade colonies connect to the latter
Same goes for the migration into and coversion of Bale in the late 1700s which was multi clanal and cordinated by Harar Amir and they would build mosque there as well. The Oromos and others there just assimilated into Somalis.
Ahmed Gurey did try and it did work and its explained in details in Futuh and he apointed people to govern each area, but most of it was reversed due the involvement of the Portuguese that restored Ethiopian presence.
Also this was ongoing thing, that happened before Ahmed Gurey where Awdal Sultans would conquer land and resettle a bunch of Somalis and appoint them as governors
Text on how Sultan Badlay ''' Camped a thousand Muslim families there'' in one of the southwestern territories.
This is just a detailed example a century before Futuh , you see similar things play out all over Futuh resettling nomadic and agro-pastoral families into conquered territories and appointing them as governor garrisons.
This is how the whole of Showa and large parts of Awash became Somali when the Awfat Sultans conquered it, it just became inhabited by various Somali agro-pastoral clans. They would resettle thousands of us.
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One thing i have learned recently, is that Cisse are split into two camps. The Black Cisse (Cisse Madobe) and The White Cisse (Cisse Cadde)
The black and white refers to the colour of the soil they each inhabit.
I am in the process of writing out a future geography video, i spoke about briefly to @Aseer about it. It will cover most of the Somali inhabited areas also replace the nonsense misconceptions that is out there about it
Most of Somalia is actually not a sandy desert which is what most people imagine it to be, outside of the a few coastal plains, it's actually just shrubs/grasslands, savannas, rain forests and tropical woodlands. It has a very diverse landscape. Which is why Somalis engage in diverse economic subsistence activities.
Also Somalis have dense population clusters in certain areas while other areas remain sparsely inhabited.
Mentioned it a bit, in this thread using Spain as an example:
liberal ethio-philia phenomenon deep dive
I looked at the ref to it and it says Sokoto was a slave society. I doubt an economy largely based on mostly slave export to be that advanced. Somali societies had more diversified trade developments and networks. For example our textile industry was larger it was the one of the most dominant...
www.somalispot.com
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It is more political. The Ethiopian government has been pushing them and arming them, they want Ethiopians in control of the major roads/route to Djibouti and want it distanced from Somalis. They do not trust Somalis and know we will eventually break away and want to secure it for Ethiopia.
So it is the federal government that arms and support them to try to annex land from Somalis, whenever Somalis fight back and take their land back the ethiopian government and its military pushes the Somalis back and asks for peace, then they push the Afar to displace the Somalis again, it is a cycle. Afars alone cant do anything.
Here is a recent short documentary from the Sitti region:
They have historically always sided with christian ethiopians despite being Muslim. Even during the Adal wars they fought on side of the christians. They were always their tributary, very strange.
They get smoked every time its not even something worth focusing on. if the afars cant beat one subclan what do you think will happen if they face a entire clan or more.
Nah I've been to Arta though
Yeah Ciise were divided by coastal and hinterlands populations, historically.One thing i have learned recently, is that Cisse are split into two camps. The Black Cisse (Cisse Madobe) and The White Cisse (Cisse Cadde)
The black and white refers to the colour of the soil they each inhabit.
I am in the process of writing out a future geography video, i spoke about briefly to @Aseer about it. It will cover most of the Somali inhabited areas also replace the nonsense misconceptions that is out there about it
Most of Somalia is actually not a sandy desert which is what most people imagine it to be, outside of the a few coastal plains, it's actually just shrubs/grasslands, savannas, rain forests and tropical woodlands. It has a very diverse landscape. Which is why Somalis engage in diverse economic subsistence activities.
Also Somalis have dense population clusters in certain areas while other areas remain sparsely inhabited.
Mentioned it a bit, in this thread using Spain as an example:
liberal ethio-philia phenomenon deep dive
I looked at the ref to it and it says Sokoto was a slave society. I doubt an economy largely based on mostly slave export to be that advanced. Somali societies had more diversified trade developments and networks. For example our textile industry was larger it was the one of the most dominant...www.somalispot.com
I don't think there's any real desert in Somali peninsula, like in Arabia. That ajnabi imagine when they speak about Muslims and Camels. Just very Arid at best. But still would have enough vegetation for Livestock.
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First off its Gurey, Second off the enemies of adal were not just ethiopians they were christians and portugese. You left out the fact that eritrea was with the protugese in fighting adal. Also dont get too stuck in history Obviously things are different now and its a whole new dynamic..
Afars are their own ethnic group and have their own culture. I dont know why you keep saying they cant be assimilated. Assimilation is not something you can just accept or reject like youre making it out to be. Without a doubt somalis are the group that is most affected by assimilation so its not even from a negative perspective. Yeah they have their own culture but their not immune to assimilation. Furthermore, I didnt just say assimilate. Their culture also has a lot of stuff taken from somalis. Their clothing, language way of life it has somali influence.
For example, Im typing in english and use english slang term. Thats american influence. Another one is you, you have started to pick up some somali slang thats influence youre learning the language. Now was that done by force and against your will? Absolutely not, Same for my case im speaking english not because I was forced to but out of neccessity and influence from people around me. Its soft assimilation surely there is some professional term for this But i dont know it.
In my opinion its far from over and has only taken different format. See what is ethiopia trying to do is assimilate everyone into 1 ethiopian identity. Somalis are being taken by oromo region to be.. of course assimilated. The time of forced and conquering assimilation is definitely over
Sitti region they tried to invade but they were repelled by liyu.
Precisely what I was speaking about with someone in an earlier thread. They pull up a picture of kismayo and say its all desert. Its only on the coast somalia is extremely diverse in geography. Even the parts that look like desert on satellite those are not desert. Theres loads of land where u will not see settlement for daysOne thing i have learned recently, is that Cisse are split into two camps. The Black Cisse (Cisse Madobe) and The White Cisse (Cisse Cadde)
The black and white refers to the colour of the soil they each inhabit.
I am in the process of writing out a future geography video, i spoke about briefly to @Aseer about it. It will cover most of the Somali inhabited areas also replace the nonsense misconceptions that is out there about it
Most of Somalia is actually not a sandy desert which is what most people imagine it to be, outside of the a few coastal plains, it's actually just shrubs/grasslands, savannas, rain forests and tropical woodlands. It has a very diverse landscape. Which is why Somalis engage in diverse economic subsistence activities.
Also Somalis have dense population clusters in certain areas while other areas remain sparsely inhabited.
Mentioned it a bit, in this thread using Spain as an example:
liberal ethio-philia phenomenon deep dive
I looked at the ref to it and it says Sokoto was a slave society. I doubt an economy largely based on mostly slave export to be that advanced. Somali societies had more diversified trade developments and networks. For example our textile industry was larger it was the one of the most dominant...www.somalispot.com
EritreanPost_
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Why are u trying to rewrite history sxb?
Eritrea wasn't with the Portuguese or Ethiopians. The Ethiopians conquered and occupied Medri Bahri Eritrea.
Eritreans civilians nor the Medri Bahri kingdom were not responsible for the proxi war between Adal and Abessinia backed by Portugal and the ottoman empire.
But do you blame innocent Eritrean people for better beeing killed by Abessinia and Adal, by Adals raid on medri bahri Eritrea, Jizya, conversion, killing and beheadings of civilians when Eritreans didn't launch any attack first attack on the Somali ppl
Or claim their lands.
Eritreans were in the middle of proxy war between the two empires due to
Eritreas location in the red sea. And both Fd Eritreans
I understand that Ahmed is a role model
For all Somalis, because he was the face
of Somali weym, because he defeated Abessinia and united all Somalis.
But as an Eritrean I will never tolerate what any foreign force did to my y ppl when my ppl minded their business an didn't start a conflict with them. But
History is History.
We should get away from the idea of
Subjugation and assimilation. Somalis
have so much lands, they should focus in that at first (Somalia, Djibouti, Galbeed, NFD
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Afars are primitive and cowardly in battle, no martial traits of use
youre getting to emotional
By eritrea we are talking about the country its self, in fact in the context I was speaking I was talking about afar.
No ones rewriting history, in fact you are only supporting what I wrote in your post here. Eritrean civilians??? Who is talking about civilians? What??
No ones blaming the civilians
This is absolutely ridiculous reasoning coming from you... As I said, Adal and Gureys raids were motivated to combat abyssians, Christianity and the Portuguese. And like you said, Medri Bahri was a ethiopian vassel.
Beheading of civilings and deliberate killings? You must provide source for what you are saying. Jizya and conversion, yes. Most of the Imams wars were to spread islam and combat portuguese and the christian highlanders.
They didnt launch, but in the same sentence you say the ethiopians conquered and occupied medri bahri. Idk why youre inserting civilians into this.
EritreanPost_
EritreanPost 🇪🇷🇩🇯🇸🇴🇸🇩🇪🇬 |Team ONLF&ICU
I don’t know what y are try to achieve this is how u somalis loose support among Eritreans.youre getting to emotional
By eritrea we are talking about the country its self, in fact in the context I was speaking I was talking about afar.
No ones rewriting history, in fact you are only supporting what I wrote in your post here. Eritrean civilians??? Who is talking about civilians? What??
No ones blaming the civilians
As I said, Adal and Gureys raids were motivated to combat abyssians, Christianity and the Portuguese. And like you said, Medri Bahri was a ethiopian vassel.
Beheading of civilings and deliberate killings? You must provide source for what you are saying. Jizya and conversion, yes. Most of the Imams wars were to spread islam and combat portuguese and the christian highlanders.
They didnt launch, but in the same sentence you say the ethiopians conquered and occupied medri bahri. Idk why youre inserting civilians into this.
Ahmed gragns conquest of eritrea
was brutal and illegal.
If you are not aware what happened to Eritrean civilians then read what some
Somali users write r/Somalia
He was also the guy who said in Reddit that we made them eat raw meat.
then the beef between Eritrean and Somali started on Reddit.
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