Albaabka fur or Baabka fur or afaafka fur ?

[Maakhri2024]

Should Somalis say ( Albaabka fur or Baabka fur ) ?

Somalis add a "-ka" ( Somali -ka which corresponds to Arabic "al-" which means "the") to the Arabic word (al-baab) .
baab is Akkadian , Aramaic and Arabic word .

( -ka is Somali masculine definite suffix ) .
in Somali ( "-ka " means "the" ) .

in Arabic ( " al- / -ال " is a definite prefix which means " the " ) .
Arabic definite prefix " al- / -ال " = Somali masculine definite suffix " -ka " .

so in Arabic " baab " means : " a door " , while " albaab " means : " the door " .

( al-baab-ka : would mean : thebaabthe ( the-door-the ) .


Somalis should say ( baab + ka : baabka ) which means : " the door " .

First Somalis have to omit "al" in ( al-baab ) .


because adding the Arabic definite prefix “ al- / -ال ” in a Somali sentence is grammatically incorrect , unnecessary and redundant.

This is how we say it correctly :

1- baabka fur : open the door .

[ Somalis should not say ( albaaka fur ) because "al-" is an unnecessary extra ] .

2- baab buu jabiyay : He broke a door .

or Somalis might use the Proto-Cushitic / Somali word “ afaaf / afaafka ”.
afaaf means : door or entrance Proto-Cushitic " Somali , Afar and Saho " .

afaaf is a door .
afaaf buu jabiyay : He broke a door .

afaafka is the door .
afaafka fur : open the door

b ⇔ f ,
baab = afaaf .
baab in Semitic " Akkadian , Aramaic and Arabic " = afaaf in Proto-Cushitic " Somali , Afar and Saho " .

afaaf came from Proto-Cushitic *ʔaf-/*yaf- which means a mouth .

 

[GaradMusa]

Mashallah @Maakhri2024, you're probably the best in linguistics on this site.

 

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I disagreed.

Albaabka fur is the correct term. It is grammatically correct in Somali language.


The Al in Albaab means nothing in Somali language.

To Somali monolingual speakers “albaab” means “a door”. That is all.

this phenomenal happened in every language. It is called semantic shift.


He explains word “Los Angeles Angeles”
Which is similar to the albaab,

 

[Nur_]

How did you find the proto cushitic word? Is there a dictionary?

 

[Gacmeey]

Irida iga fur. Usually what I say

 

[Maakhri2024]

I disagreed.

Albaabka fur is the correct term. It is grammatically correct in Somali language.


The Al in Albaab means nothing in Somali language.

To Somali monolingual speakers “albaab” means “a door”. That is all.

this phenomenal happened in every language. It is called semantic shift.


He explains word “Los Angeles Angeles”
Which is similar to the albaab,

We can say that it was unintelligent learned borrowing.

Learned borrowing ( scholarly borrowing ) is the intentional adoption of a word from one language into another without going through natural language contact.

 

[Maakhri2024]

irida iga fur. Usually what I say

il / ir / fr / sr : Opening of the human body in general, including eyes, ears, nostrils, the vulva , entrance to ( a house , a place , a building ... ) , word comes from a ( mouth ) .

il : eye .
il+ ta =ilta ( isha ) : the eye .
il / ir → sr → sar / san : nose .
il / ir → sr → sar → siil : vagina / vulva ,
( waa meel furan / saran ) .
il / ir + da → irida : door / entrance .
il / ir / fr " fur " / sr " sar "→ il → af ( furan ) : mouth .
il / ir → ( eray ) : word ,
( eray : a word comes from an opening / hole
" mouth " ) .
il / ir / sr / fr → dhg : dheg : ear .
𓂋 Uniliteral phonogram for r .​

@TheLand

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

I thought, in fus7a, the word 'baab' means an 'opening', and 'albaab' was derived from it to designate a term for a door, in which case the prefix 'al' in 'albaab' is not a definitive article, but nominalisation of the word 'baab'. I could be wrong.

 

[Maakhri2024]

I thought, in fus7a, the word 'baab' means an 'opening', and 'albaab' was derived from it to designate a term for a door, in which case the prefix 'al' in 'albaab' is not a definitive article, but nominalisation of the word 'baab'. I could be wrong.

in Arabic ( " al- / -ال " is a definite prefix which
means " the " ) .

baab ( باب ) is a door / an opening / an entrance .

al-baab ( الباب ) is the door / the opening / the entrance .

baab ( باب ) : in Arabic translates directly to "door" or
"an opening" / "an entrance" in English; it is the singular form of the word, with the plural being " abwaab " ( أبواب ).

baab kabiir " باب كبير " = a big door .
Al-baab al-kabiir " الباب الكبير " = The big door .

وَقَالَ يَا بَنِيَّ لَا تَدْخُلُوا مِن بَابٍ وَاحِدٍ
( And he said, “O my sons, do not enter from one gate .....)


وَادْخُلُوا الْبَابَ سُجَّدًا
( ..... and enter the gate bowing humbly ....... ) .

وَاسْتَبَقَا الْبَابَ وَقَدَّتْ قَمِيصَهُ مِن دُبُرٍ وَأَلْفَيَا سَيِّدَهَا لَدَى الْبَابِ
( And they both raced to the door, and she tore his shirt from the back, and they found her husband at the door ........... ) .

baab ( باب ) is related to Proto-Cushitic word afaaf
( أفاف ) .

b ⇔ f ,
baab = afaaf .
baab in Semitic " Akkadian , Aramaic and Arabic " = afaaf in Proto-Cushitic " Somali , Afar and Saho " .

afaaf came from Proto-Cushitic *ʔaf-/*yaf- which means a mouth .

Both words ( baab and afaaf ) are related to
the word gap ( pronounced : gaap ) .

b / f ⇔ g ,
b / f ⇔ p ,
baab / afaaf = gap ( pronounced : gaap ) .

 

[Maakhri2024]

irridda iga fur. Usually what I say

you can also use these somali words which have the same meaning ( door / entrance ) : irrid , illin , kadin, afaaf , albaab .
illinka iga fur .
kadinka iga fur .
afaafka iga fur .
irridda iga fur .
baabka iga fur ( don't say : albaabka iga fur ) .