Ancient Egyptian G25 results.

[Cognitive]

The f*ck, 95% Natufian?
Imagine what the Arabist Natufian-worshippers will say about this. They'd be dancing around the bonfire now, lolz.

 

[Papaya]

There is already a roamed Palestinian claiming Ancient Egyptians as Canaanites and bulliying modern Egyptians.

 

[Papaya]

Do you guys know the genetic profile for Ancient Mesopotamians from that time?

And yes, Pre-Dynastic Egyptians being 95% Natufian is incredible.

There are 3 Ancient Samples from Northern Iraq. But it is not Mesopotamia per se.

Mesopotamia is southern Iraq strictly. People don't consider the northern Iraq samples as Mesopotamian and rather more Zagrosian.

They might give hints but eventually it remains a mystery.

 

[Scipio Africanus]

The f*ck, 95% Natufian?
Imagine what the Arabist Natufian-worshippers will say about this. They'd be dancing around the bonfire now, lolz.

We’re already popping bottles alhamdulilah thanks to this news Viva Natufians!

J/K

 

[Scipio Africanus]

There are 3 Ancient Samples from Northern Iraq. But it is not Mesopotamia per se.

Mesopotamia is southern Iraq strictly. People don't consider the northern Iraq samples as Mesopotamian and rather more Zagrosian.

They might give hints but eventually it remains a mystery.

Cheers for your insight.

I was wondering which Pre-dynastic Egyptian culture did the Natufian-rich ancestors of Somalis originate from?

 

[Garaad Awal]

Show me examples then? Your telling me Palestinians next door to Bedouins have less Natufian than Somalis

Yes the Palestinian Christians not the Muslims have oirigins from all over (essentially they are mongrelsl )

Target: Garaad_Awal Distance: 5.1148% / 0.05114793
51.0	Sudanese
40.2	Israel_Natufian
3.6	Ethiopia_4500BP
3.0	Taforalt_(Iberomaurusian)
2.2	Iran_N

Target: Palestinian_Christian Distance: 3.8296% / 0.03829567
44.6	Anatolia_N_Ceramic_Barcin
32.8	Iran_N
22.6	Israel_Natufian

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Target: Palestinian_Muslim Distance: 3.0116% / 0.03011562
33.0	Anatolia_N_Ceramic_Barcin
33.0	Iran_N
31.4	Israel_Natufian
2.4	West_African
0.2	Sudanese

 

[NidarNidar]

Yes the Palestinian Christians not the Muslims have oirigins from all over (essentially they are mongrelsl )

Target: Garaad_Awal Distance: 5.1148% / 0.05114793
51.0	Sudanese
40.2	Israel_Natufian
3.6	Ethiopia_4500BP
3.0	Taforalt_(Iberomaurusian)
2.2	Iran_N

Target: Palestinian_Christian Distance: 3.8296% / 0.03829567
44.6	Anatolia_N_Ceramic_Barcin
32.8	Iran_N
22.6	Israel_Natufian

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Target: Palestinian_Muslim Distance: 3.0116% / 0.03011562
33.0	Anatolia_N_Ceramic_Barcin
33.0	Iran_N
31.4	Israel_Natufian
2.4	West_African
0.2	Sudanese

This makes sense since they are literally next door to invading Anatolians/ INF.

 

[Garaad Awal]

This makes sense since they are literally next door to invading Anatolians/ INF.

Neolithic Levantines were only half Natufian-like but at the end of the day Cushites don't descend from Natufians.We descend from a mixture of native NE Africans + Neolithic Levantines on our West Eurasian side

 

[NidarNidar]

Neolithic Levantines were only half Natufian-like but at the end of the day Cushites don't descend from Natufians.We descend from a mixture of native NE Africans + Neolithic Levantines on our West Eurasian side

Indeed, any reason why J is so prevalent with Arabs compared to North and Northeast Africa who mostly carry E1B1B1? is it the founder affect similar to how T-L208 is carried amongst some Somalis?

 

[Garaad Awal]

Indeed, any reason why J is so prevalent with Arabs compared to North and Northeast Africa who mostly carry E1B1B1? is it the founder affect similar to how T-L208 is carried amongst some Somalis?

The Arabs are heavily Zagrosian in ancestry.J1 emerged from the Caucus mountains into Iran and was diffused from Iran to the Levant by the time of the Bronze Age.J1 only appears when Neolithic Iranian/CHG ancestry shows up in the Levant.The Arabs are just Southern Levantines who expanded into Arabia and admixed with the local Arabian HGs

 

[NidarNidar]

The Arabs are heavily Zagrosian in ancestry.J1 emerged from the Caucus mountains into Iran and was diffused from Iran to the Levant by the time of the Bronze Age.J1 only appears when Neolithic Iranian/CHG ancestry shows up in the Levant.The Arabs are just Southern Levantines who expanded into Arabia and admixed with the local Arabian HGs

Interesting, so basically they killed all the Arabian HG males and kept the woman.

 

[Step a side]

Neolithic Levantines were only half Natufian-like but at the end of the day Cushites don't descend from Natufians.We descend from a mixture of native NE Africans + Neolithic Levantines on our West Eurasian side

You are right. I noticed the difference when Levantine Neolithic is used compared to levant Natufian

Levant Natufians

Levant Neolithic

The Anatolian and a litter bit of the Iranian Neolithic tends to increase when Natufian is used indicating that Levantine Neolithic has some elevated Anatolian and some little Iranian in it.

coming back to Levantine it’s the Jordanians which is an extension of Arabia that has high Natufian. With the Palestinians they tend to get all sorts of levels of Natufian.

@Garaad Awal so if our Natufian is already in the 40%+ then shouldn’t our levant Neolithic be higher? Ima bit confused

 

[Garaad Awal]

Neolithic Levantine are heavily Anatolian HG admixed, Cushites have quite low levels Anatolian farmer ancestry which is why we don’t get PPNB ancestry on G25.

But is quite clear Somalis have Anatolian ancestry since on qpadm the best representative for our Eurasian ancestry is the BedouinB and they are ~20% Anatolian in ancestry

 

[Step a side]

@Garaad Awal do runs on Somali with Natufian and barcin ancestry. If we are Levantine Neolithic we should score barcin when Natufian is used. Add Iran Neolithic as well.

 

[Garaad Awal]

@Garaad Awal do runs on Somali with Natufian and barcin ancestry. If we are Levantine Neolithic we should have score barcin when Natufian is used. Add Iran Neolithic as well.

G25 is pretty bad tbh for our ancient ancestry. We don’t get any Barcin ancestry on G25 but our Eurasian ancestry on qpadm prefers the Arabians overs the Natufians

 

[Step a side]

G25 is pretty bad tbh for our ancient ancestry. We don’t get any Barcin ancestry on G25 but our Eurasian ancestry on qpadm prefers the Arabians overs the Natufians

Very confusing indeed. Could it be we actually don’t have Levantine Neolithic? I mean why would g25 do us like that when it works perfectly fine for other groups with their ancient ancestry? And why does it prefer Arabian instead of Natufian? That’s really weird. The Yemeni Iron Age only contributed a little to our genome so I doubt it has any bearing on the fact that we prefer Arabian like you said unless our HG ancestry from North Africa went on to colonise Arabia

 

[Garaad Awal]

Very confusing indeed. Could it be we actually don’t have Levantine Neolithic? I mean why would g25 do us like that when it works perfectly fine for other groups with their ancient ancestry? And why does it prefer Arabian instead of Natufian? That’s really weird. The Yemeni Iron Age only contributed a little to our genome so I doubt it has any bearing on the fact that we prefer Arabian like you said unless our HG ancestry from North Africa went on to colonise Arabia

We definitely have Neolithic Levantine ancestry. We carry some of the lineages they had and also the light skin snps that the Natufians completely lacked.

G25 is not a perfect tool at the end of the day. It can roughly give us a good picture but there’s other tools that need to be utilized alongside archeology & uniparentals

 

[Papaya]

Some News. Leak are saying the OK Gizeh sample is yDNA E-M78 and mtDNA I.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Some News. Leak are saying the OK Gizeh sample is yDNA E-M78 and mtDNA I.

Sounds like cap

 

[Papaya]

Sounds like cap

Why?