Any Puntlander take South Somalia ID will lose his puntlander rights

[FBIsomalia]

Those ID cards fgs is rolling out is useless

no benefits no free healthcare no free school I think most people will follow and go with the ultimatum

since they don’t want to lose their rights for a card worth zero

The idea is iska sawir for HSM that during his time implement national ID .

 

[cunug3aad]

Why somalia trying to mimic chinese surveillance state biometrics when they don't have a ministry for copyright data protection, or data storage, or much recognised international id at all? Also it seems puntland doesn't wanna be friends with us anymore

 

[Abdisamad]

This is one of the few times where I'd have to side with hsm on this issue. It's very weird that there trying to polictize this. It's also ridculous that there physically trying to stop their citizens from registering.

Qoslaye has no power in Puntland, actually PL has claimed independence from the FGS until the formation of a credible all inclusive government who respects the constitution. Qoslaye and his corrupt gang are no goverment of PL.

 

[Midas]

Qoslaye has no power in Puntland, actually PL has claimed independence from the FGS until the formation of a credible all inclusive government who respects the constitution. Qoslaye and his corrupt gang are no goverment of PL.

I don't deny that. But ultimately the problem comes from the fed govt being too weak too suppress the federal member states. The fact is this whole discussion is happening because people somehow think that the fed govt and the member states are somehow equal. Once we finally get a competent president. He's gonna need to do massive purges on all the fms . So that they're are reminded of whose in charge.

 

[FBIsomalia]

I don't deny that. But ultimately the problem comes from the fed govt being too weak too suppress the federal member states. The fact is this whole discussion is happening because people somehow think that the fed govt and the member states are somehow equal. Once we finally get a competent president. He's gonna need to do massive purges on all the fms . So that they're are reminded of whose in charge.

We try that approach and Kacaan fail, as Somalis we should equal no clan above other.

Federal is what bring stability to Somalia, no one ready to civil war again.

 

[Som]

This is stupid. If you are part of Somalia you should have the same Id and passport as anyone else

 

[Abdisamad]

I don't deny that. But ultimately the problem comes from the fed govt being too weak too suppress the federal member states. The fact is this whole discussion is happening because people somehow think that the fed govt and the member states are somehow equal. Once we finally get a competent president. He's gonna need to do massive purges on all the fms . So that they're are reminded of whose in charge.

Don't get yourself purged in the process, you can't force people into dictating bullshit from muqdisho.

 

[Abdisamad]

This is stupid. If you are part of Somalia you should have the same Id and passport as anyone else

There is no Somalia and there is no goverment..

 

[Midas]

We try that approach and Kacaan fail, as Somalis we should equal no clan above other.

Federal is what bring stability to Somalia, no one ready to civil war again.

That's not true . The kacaan was a dictatorship he did good that's undeniable but it was ultimately a dictatorship.

Your also making my point by mentioning clans . The reason people support member states is because they seems them as their clan having a state that is now how modern govt should work.

Also somalis seem to misunderstand federalism. The fed govt and the states are not equals. That's just chaos.

 

[Midas]

Don't get yourself purged in the process, you can't force people into dictating bullshit from muqdisho.

I'm just telling you what will eventually happen. It might even take several years but the reality is that fed govt will have to reduce the power of the member states. Regional govts should not be able to meet with foreign govts. They should not have their own regional armies. Right now every member state basically functions like it's own personal kingdom. Any future president of Somalia will not accept this situation. No real country would.

 

[Abdisamad]

I'm just telling you what will eventually happen. It might even take several years but the reality is that fed govt will have to reduce the power of the member states. Regional govts should not be able to meet with foreign govts. They should not have their own regional armies. Right now every member state basically functions like it's own personal kingdom. Any future president of Somalia will not accept this situation. No real country would.

Who knows what the future holds, the people of Puntland have built their own state who safeguards their safety and security, who are you to question their right to build a state and have a functioning army? What gives you the right to call for their destruction and subjugation?

 

[FBIsomalia]

That's not true . The kacaan was a dictatorship he did good that's undeniable but it was ultimately a dictatorship.

Your also making my point by mentioning clans . The reason people support member states is because they seems them as their clan having a state that is now how modern govt should work.

Also somalis seem to misunderstand federalism. The fed govt and the states are not equals. That's just chaos.

Your system created already dictatorship, HSM give his daughter goverment position!.

 

[Midas]

Who knows what the future holds, the people of Puntland have built their own state who safeguards their safety and security, who are you to question their right to build a state and have a functioning army? What gives you the right to call for their destruction and subjugation?

Who said anything about destroying the people ?. Every govt entity in somalia should be for the benefit of the people not for some clan ideaology .

It's also crazy that you words like "subjugation" and "destruction" when we're talking about curtailing the power of federal member states.

 

[Midas]

Your system created already dictatorship, HSM give his daughter goverment position!.

Everybody knows hsm is corrupt? But does that mean there shouldn't be a strong givt ? And what do you mean "your" system . Didn't abdulahi yusuf one of the founders of Puntland and it's first president also play a huge role in creating this 4.5 system your critiquing.

 

[FBIsomalia]

Everybody knows hsm is corrupt? But does that mean there shouldn't be a strong givt ? And what do you mean "your" system . Didn't abdulahi yusuf one of the founders of Puntland and it's first president also play a huge role in creating this 4.5 system your critiquing.

4.5 been decided at cartaa time for your info.

Centerlism creates corruption and dictatorship.

 

[Abdisamad]

Who said anything about destroying the people ?. Every govt entity in somalia should be for the benefit of the people not for some clan ideaology .

It's also crazy that you words like "subjugation" and "destruction" when we're talking about curtailing the power of federal member states.

The people of Puntland created Puntland, the goverment in PL is their government, so how are you going to seperate the people from its government? How about you liberate your southern people before talking about PL?

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

The people of Puntland created Puntland, the goverment in PL is their government, so how are you going to seperate the people from its government? How about you liberate your southern people before talking about PL?

Federalism/Confederation or nothing. Naga hor dhaqaaqa dheh. They think we will be stupid enough to repeat the same mistakes as before. My own adeer could become President and I would refuse this Centralism scam.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Your system created already dictatorship, HSM give his daughter goverment position!.

These mooryaans/centralists masquerading as patriots are so transparent. Not a word will be spoken about the rampant corruption and nepotism in Culusow's family business aka the FGM. But if Puntland exercises a constitutional right, they come crawling out of the woodworks iyagoo gafuur wayn nagu so taagiya. And people still wonder why these types of xaasids are from occupied regions.

 

[AbdiBashirJR]

There is no Somalia and there is no goverment..

you think we are gonna miss the desert of puntland, what does puntland add to somalia? a tree cant even grow in that climate kkk.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

you think we are gonna miss the desert of puntland, what does puntland add to somalia? a tree cant even grow in that climate kkk.

LOL

Is that why your clan loves claiming South Gaalkacyo more than it loves any other place in Galmudug? We all know you love proximity to us, it is not a secret. My dear, even your name belongs to an MJ

Without Puntland, socalled "Somalia" would be the biggest disgrace on earth. Our beautiful state is the one that make it look like it has a small glimmer of hope.