Anyone else seeing the propaganda pushed out by extremist SL supporters today?

[Gantaal97]

Clan Cleansing in Somalia

In 1991, certain political and military leaders in Somalia, wishing to gain exclusive control over the state, mobilized their followers to use terror—wounding, raping, and killing—to expel a vast number of Somalis from the capital city of Mogadishu and south-central and southern Somalia...

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[Dharbaaxo Jin]

@Magan95

Now, give us just one source for the Dilla massacre, from when it happened.

 

[Magan95]

That's the actual letter of Gen morgan to siyyad barre also read this

Reported Massacres and Indiscriminate Killings in Somalia

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I'm doing a quick scan of this book you linked and it seems that their sources are from people they interviewed, which can be highly contested. Basically, all it takes is for someone to make a claim and that's it, it's documented in here. Africa Watch features analysis and commentary by members of IDA's Africa team on current developments on the continent. In the meantime, the report they made is hundreds of pages, so it will take me some time to comb through and read your so called "source."

Why don't we have pictures of this so called "genocide" or even videos? If this genocide was as bad as some of you claim, how come there isn't more official evidence of it?

 

[Magan95]

@Magan95

Now, give us just one source for the Dilla massacre, from when it happened.

You haven't given me a proper source to support the existence of the Isaaq genocide. I have given you a source and you claim it's also improper.

 

[Magan95]

Isaaq massacre is a fact that won't change however you like to deny it and Somaliland is out from Xamar hands and only talks would solve the issue wither Xamar recognizes Somaliland or does some changes to its political system to accommodate Somaliland and we know what the answer would be.

It is not a fact. You can't even give me proof.

 

[Magan95]

Here you go. It includes a list of the specific massacres, numbers and a chronicle of the timeline.

Human Rights Watch - Jan 1990

Once again, that's Africa watch. It's not an "official" source or anything. A group of people decided to interview people and document it.

That's the actual letter of Gen morgan to siyyad barre also read this

Reported Massacres and Indiscriminate Killings in Somalia

books.google.com.sa

I need a proper source of the Somali government acknowledging that's an official letter from Siad Barre.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

@Magan95 just arguing for the sake of arguing

sometimes it’s good to sit one out kiddo

 

[Gantaal97]

I'm doing a quick scan of this book you linked and it seems that their sources are from people they interviewed, which can be highly contested. Basically, all it takes is for someone to make a claim and that's it, it's documented in here. Africa Watch features analysis and commentary by members of IDA's Africa team on current developments on the continent. In the meantime, the report they made is hundreds of pages, so it will take me some time to comb through and read your so called "source."

Why don't we have pictures of this so called "genocide" or even videos? If this genocide was as bad as some of you claim, how come there isn't more official evidence of it?

"The government's response has been brutal. An aerial bombing campaign devastated large sections of the cities and productive areas in the north. Wells have been poisoned, villages have been burned and Isaaq civilians have been rounded up and executed by government troops. President Barre has also supplied weapons to Ethiopian refugees inside Somalia and to opposition Ethiopian groups to attack Isaaq civilians. Africa Watch estimates that 50,000 Somali citizens have "
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...-africa/b6f59cf0-5061-4223-82fb-35e6a7109b46/

"Since 1981, with the formation of the SNM, northern Somalia has seen the worst atrocities. Serious human right violations, including extra-judicial executions of unarmed civilians, detentions without trial, unfair trials, torture, rape, looting and extortion, have been a prominent feature of life in the towns and countryside in the northern region since 1981. In order to deprive the SNM of a civilian base of support in their area of operation, those living in rural areas between Hargeisa and the Ethiopian border have suffered particularly brutal treatment. A scorched earth policy that involved the burning of farms, the killing of livestock, the destruction of water-storage tanks and the deliberate poisoning of wells, has been pursued actively by the military. The principal towns have been subjected to a curfew for several years; arbitrary restrictions on the extension of the curfew have facilitated extortion by soldiers and curfew patrols. Internal travel is controlled through military checkpoints .... The existence of the SNM has provided a pretext for President Barre and his military deputies in the north to wage a war against peaceful citizens and to enable them to consolidate their control of the country by terrorizing anyone who is suspected of not being wholeheartedly pro-government. Years of sustained state violence have created a serious level of political unrest in the region.

The atmosphere of lawlessness has enabled soldiers to harass civilians for the purposes of extortion. Many Somalis have reported that military and security officers only respond to inquiries by detainees' relatives with promises to secure their release in exchange for cash payments. Civilians living in Buroa and Hargeisa have frequently been forbidden to hold funerals for relatives shot dead by the military and curfew patrols until they have paid a ransom. Rape, of young and older women, is routine. They will only be released from detention centers, even after being raped, if the family pays a ransom. No soldier or member of the security forces has ever been disciplined or prosecuted for abuses, which highlights the general lack of accountability."

Reported Massacres and Indiscriminate Killings in Somalia

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[Magan95]

@Magan95 just arguing for the sake of arguing

sometimes it’s good to sit one out kiddo

I get it, you have to back up your pro-SL friends.

I gave my sources, and they did not accept it.
The massacre I'm claiming to have happened is in the hundreds.

Now the Isaaq "Genocide" is supposed to be even greater than that, and there is not proper source or documentation of it? A genocide is a huge thing to claim. The Rwandan genocide is well documented and happened near this timeframe.

 

[Magan95]

"The government's response has been brutal. An aerial bombing campaign devastated large sections of the cities and productive areas in the north. Wells have been poisoned, villages have been burned and Isaaq civilians have been rounded up and executed by government troops. President Barre has also supplied weapons to Ethiopian refugees inside Somalia and to opposition Ethiopian groups to attack Isaaq civilians. Africa Watch estimates that 50,000 Somali citizens have "
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...-africa/b6f59cf0-5061-4223-82fb-35e6a7109b46/

Reported Massacres and Indiscriminate Killings in Somalia

books.google.com.sa

ONCE AGAIN. Don't use the Washington post.
Articles like this, need citations and sources for their claims. They don't even have 1 linked.

Get me another source. This should be easy since you're claiming it's a genocide. That's not a light claim one should make.

 

[Gantaal97]

Page doesn't exist

English news from the Voice of America. VOA news provides coverage from around the world and learning English lessons from VOA Special English.

www.voanews.com

 

[Magan95]

Page doesn't exist

English news from the Voice of America. VOA news provides coverage from around the world and learning English lessons from VOA Special English.

www.voanews.com

I took this directly from the article you linked:

Nearly two meters below are the bodies of 17 men who are believed to have been rounded up, shot and dumped here nearly 30 years ago.

In the past five years, the commission has exhumed 11 mass graves, including the one opened this year in Berbera, according to Like, and it has reburied more than 100 bodies.

Keep in mind, this is not proven and so far about over a 100 bodies have been found? They only believe that these people were killed by Siad Barre's troops. The claims of the Isaaq Genocide are that thousands of people were systematically killed
Estimated to be from 50,000 to 100,000.

I can give you actual reports from world governments regarding the Rwandan Genocide. Even the UN documents the Rwandan Genocide. How come we can't do the same for the so called Isaaq "genocide"?

Maybe, just maybe, it's propaganda?

 

[Gantaal97]

@Magan95 watch this commander justifying the bombardment if Hargeisa starting from 18:35

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

@Magan95

You are just deflecting now. Give one source of the Dilla massacre from when it happened, not 5, 10, 20, 30 years later.

 

[Gantaal97]

The claims of the Isaaq Genocide are that thousands of people were systematically killed
Estimated to be from 50,000 to 100,000.

I can give you actual reports from world governments regarding the Rwandan Genocide. Even the UN documents the Rwandan Genocide.

How come we can't do the same for the so called Isaaq "genocide"?

Your govt doesn't want acknowledge the crimes it did to us when so many isaaqs were refugees in Ethiopia and massacred in their cities losing our loved ones at the hands of the regime that you trying to defend

 

[Magan95]

Your govt doesn't want acknowledge the crimes it did to us when so many isaaqs were refugees in Ethiopia and massacred in their cities losing our loved ones at the hands of the regime that you trying to defend

Why doesn't the SL government find the graves of these so called 50,000-100,000 killed Isaaqs?
I mean if they could just find them, maybe it would provide the evidence people need...

 

[Magan95]

@Magan95 watch this commander justifying the bombardment if Hargeisa starting from 18:35

LOL.
You linked more Propaganda. This is a pro Somaliland video.

There is no commander justifying the bombardment at 18:35. There's a voiceover of some guy making a commentary. You linked a commentary video as a source. Wow.

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

@Magan95

I'll keep reposting until you stop deflecting.

Give one source of the Dilla massacre from when it happened, not 5, 10, 20, 30 years later.

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

@Magan95

I'll keep reposting until you stop deflecting.

Give one source of the Dilla massacre from when it happened, not 5, 10, 20, 30 years later.

 

[Gantaal97]

LOL.
You linked more Propaganda. This is a pro Somaliland video.

There is no commander justifying the bombardment at 18:35. There's a voiceover of some guy making a commentary. You linked a commentary video as a source. Wow.

you dumbhead that's a video of kacaan officials filming themselves justifying their attack