Anyone kind of sad we don't have more written history about ancient Somalia

[Apollo]

How many tens of thousands of Eritreans are fleeing each year and being accepted into Europe? How many thousands of Somalis are risking their life to cross the sea? Just put in measures that stops Somalis and lets Bantus or even helps them on the down low.

The Somali state doesn't need to actually force them to move, all it has to do is to get a good stronghold on the smuggling routes and to somehow help encourage them to move. But first we need to completely urbanize them.

You can get away with oppressing people based on class, region, possibly even religion, but the race thing is just too sensitive. No modern example besides Myanmar and what they are doing is not particularly effective.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

You can get away with oppressing people based on class, region, possibly even religion, but the race thing is just too sensitive. No modern example besides Myanmar and what they are doing is not particularly effective.

But Somalis are the same race as Bantus. Are we not both considered "Black African" in the West?

You're acting as if we're white lol. Also, the Myanmar is in Asia, not Africa.

 

[Apollo]

Links seem appropriate since you accuse me of lying.

FYI: The Waata and Booni are Cushitic peoples, part of the Oromo, so they are neither Negroid nor Khoisan. The folks with deep proven roots are the Eyle of Buur Heybe and Buur Hakaba, who have an archaeological record going back to at least the middle stone age. Search Gogoshiis Gabe.

Samaales in Somalia only go back to the beginning of the Common Era.

Links on request.

This Burji student of Tishkoff did a big study on East Africa a couple of years ago. I can't remember his name right now, but his study showed major Niger-Congo admixture in both the Boni and Wata.

They are not more native to the Horn than Somalis.

 

[Grant]

This Burji student of Tishkoff did a big study on East Africa a couple of years ago. I can't remember his name right now, but his study showed major Niger-Congo admixture in both the Boni and Wata.

They are not more native to the Horn than Somalis.

OK. But they are neither Negroid nor Khoisan. So what's your point? The Eyle are certainly more native.

 

[Apollo]

OK. But they are neither Negroid nor Khoisan. So what's your point? The Eyle are certainly more native.

Screwed around with google and found it:

http://drum.lib.umd.edu/handle/1903/11443

Those hunter-gatherer groups are mixed with Bantus, explaining their Negroid appearance. If they didn't have this admixture they would've looked the same as Somalis. They have zero connections to the Khoisan.

You will not find mythical Negroid natives of Somalia without evidence of Bantu admixture. It doesn't exist.

 

[McLovin]

How many tens of thousands of Eritreans are fleeing each year and being accepted into Europe? How many thousands of Somalis are risking their life to cross the sea? Just put in measures that stops Somalis and lets Bantus or even helps them on the down low.

The Somali state doesn't need to actually force them to move, all it has to do is to get a good stronghold on the smuggling routes and to somehow indirectly help them to move. But first we need to completely urbanize them.

Disgusting

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Disgusting

Will be more disgusting when Somalia has a Tutsi vs Hutu scenario in 30 years time and 1m people are killed. Considering the fact that Al Shabab soldiers are mainly Bantu, I don't even want to imagine when states actually support the Bantus against Somalis.

Pick your poison.

 

[McLovin]

Will be more disgusting when Somalia has a Tutsi vs Hutu scenario in 30 years time and 1m people are killed. Considering the fact that Al Shabab soldiers are mainly Bantu, I don't even want to imagine when states actually support the Bantus against Somalis.

Pick your poison.

That doesn't make any sense. It is normal for African countries to have dozens of ethnic groups coinhabiting and contributing to the state.

Besides bad analogy. The hutus and tutsis eventually reconciled. Can't say the same for your clan let alone the country

 

[Grant]

Screwed around with google and found it:

http://drum.lib.umd.edu/handle/1903/11443

Those hunter-gatherer groups are mixed with Bantus, explaining their Negroid appearance. If they didn't have this admixture they would've looked the same as Somalis. They have zero connections to the Khoisan.

You will not find mythical Negroid natives of Somalia without evidence of Bantu admixture. It doesn't exist.

Your link:

"Two major migration events, namely the migration of Bantu-speaking populations from Central/West Africa across sub-Saharan Africa and the migration of pastoralist populations from Sudan and Ethiopia within the past 5000 years have had a major influence on extant genetic patterns in East Africa."

We are agreed the Bantu Expansion never reached Somalia. The second migration included the Samaales. The Bantu slaves were brought by the Omanis and bought by the "Diverse Hawiyya", the Abgal, Mataan and Wacdaan. The sales began about 1825 and ended about 1895. The estimate I have seen of the total number is 50,000. They began escaping almost immediately and had going settlements on the Lower Jubba by 1840.

The balance of the negroid groups are native, or at least preceded the Samaales.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

That doesn't make any sense. It is normal for African countries to have dozens of ethnic groups coinhabiting and contributing to the state.

Besides bad analogy. The hutus and tutsis eventually reconciled. Can't say the same for your clan let alone the country

Really? And how is the situation in South Sudan/Burundi going if it's normal to have dozens of ethnic groups contributing to the state?


Most Al Shabab fighters are Bantus who have a grudge against 'Lamogoodles'. The reality is that in 20 years time, the Bantus will be 40 % of the population. Will they be given 40 % political representation? No. Will Kenya, Ethiopia and pretty much every state who wants to destroy Somalia support them? Yes. Then you'll see a crisis worse than the civil war, with 1m+ people dead and even more millions refugees.

Either we can fight over Somalia, or they can live in the world greatest civilization in history. Pick your poison.

 

[Apollo]

Grant,

You are exposing yourself more and more as a person who is talking about a subject you know zilch about.

Go the the statistics of that doctoral paper and look at the lineages those Wata and Boni carry, you will find multiple Bantu specific markers. These guys are essentially ''contaminated'' Somalis, and not a more ''ancestral'' version of Somalis.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Disgusting

So you wouldn't mind bantus taking over Somalia? Bantus have many other countries, but Somalis only have one. Somalia will never become a multi-racial/ethnic state, we already have enough problems, such as qabiil. All the bantus in Somalia are illegal immigrants that need to return to their home countries.

 

[Apollo]

So you wouldn't mind bantus taking over Somalia? Bantus have many other countries, but Somalis only have one. Somalia will never become a multi-racial/ethnic state, we already have enough problems, such as qabiil. All the bantus in Somalia are illegal immigrants that need to return to their home countries.

Somalis have Djibouti. A shitty desert on the edge of Africa. Only Cushitic semi-Ethnostate.

Cushites #LosersOfAfrica

The Khoisan are also total losers. Only some shit land in the Namib desert.

 

[McLovin]

So you wouldn't mind bantus taking over Somalia? Bantus have many other countries, but Somalis only have one. Somalia will never become a multi-racial/ethnic state, we already have enough problems, such as qabiil. All the bantus in Somalia are illegal immigrants that need to return to their home countries.

Sure, legitimate concern. But passively displacing thousands of locals because of their ethnic makeup is not a good way to go about it.




We should do it humanely like Israel by giving them infertility shots

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Somalis have Djibouti. A shitty desert on the edge of Africa. Only Cushitic semi-Ethnostate.

Cushites #LosersOfAfrica

I was referring to Somaliweyn. We do have some fertile land in Konfuur that can be utilised effectively with modern technology & methods. Not all hope is lost, all we need is a competent gov't that gets things done.

 

[Apollo]

Sure, legitimate concern. But passively displacing thousands of locals because of their ethnic makeup is not a good way to go about it.




We should do it humanely like Israel by giving them infertility shots

WTF? Even the most liberal guy on here is advocating for infertility shots.

Is SomaliSpot suffering from collective insanity? Anti-liberal thought is rife here, even among the pseudoliberals.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Sure, legitimate concern. But passively displacing thousands of locals because of their ethnic makeup is not a good way to go about it.




We should do it humanely like Israel by giving them infertility shots

Not a bad suggestion...


I still prefer deportation, Tanzania will take them in with open arms.

 

[Grant]

Grant,

You are exposing yourself more and more as a person who is talking about a subject you know zilch about.

Go the the statistics of that doctoral paper and look at the lineages those Wata and Boni carry, you will find multiple Bantu specific markers. These guys are essentially ''contaminated'' Somalis, and not a more ''ancestral'' version of Somalis.

Amun,

The Waata are Oromo. The Boni are part of the Omo-Tana group, with the Rendille and Samaale. If the contamination is indeed Bantu, it must have occurred after the Bantu expansion, and is hardly relevant to the earlier period.

So, who knows zilch?

 

[Apollo]

Amun,

The Waata are Oromo. The Boni are part of the Omo-Tana group, with the Rendille and Samaale. If the contamination is indeed Bantu, it must have occurred after the Bantu expansion, and is hardly relevant to the earlier period.

So, who knows zilch?

Noob, the only Oromo are the Borana, most other Oromos are language shifters. The Waata belonged to the same sub-group as those Boni and other riffraff.

 

[Bahal]

WTF? Even the most liberal guy on here is advocating for infertility shots.

Is SomaliSpot suffering from collective insanity? Anti-liberal thought is rife here, even among the pseudoliberals.

This is your legacy, my friend.