Bro there is no proof quraysh was J1- FGC11, the only proof for the J-L859 quraysh project is that the project claimed some guy in the Jordanian royal family scored that haplogroup and it was posted on twitter, but where? They never gave the link.
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Some person on antrhogenica said: "there's absolutely zero evidence that the adnanites are haplogroup J. The only evidence if we can call it that is the project manager stating that the Jordanian king or some of the relatives we're tested privately and scored J that's it. A private kit never been seen by anyone else."
I have no idea if the kit is private or not. Even if it turns out to be true that 1 or few members of the Jordanian royal family got J-L859, then it's still no guarantee that the quraysh was J-L859. It's like saying 1 or few members of isaaq got T-L208 so all of them must have T-L208. You see how ridiculous that sounds? It doesn't even say more than 1 got tested, it says only 1 guy. I saw some person on quora say 2 members got tested but who even trusts quora?
I think you talked to him, your name is Bulletproofpride on anthrogenica right? You guys are similar, both write brother, both insist on that quraysh was J and link that project as a reference and both of you said vast majority of adnanis got J and arab tribes know each other like how we know somali tribes. you said something like that to me too some time ago I remember.
Here is what the bulletproofpride person said on anthrogenica: "The vast majority of Adnan and Saudi tribes in general are J1 specifically FGC12. The vast majority by far. Everyone knows this by now. Those few E, T etc are outliers. Adnan tribes specifically are FGC1872. FGC12 is the most common snp among the Adnan tribes and the structure of this tree resembles their oral tradition and family tree precisely. The Quraish tribe is well known, the same way we know who is Abgaal, Majerteen"
In fact ancient Israelite remains belonged to T and E1b1b. I saw a Jewish DNA facebook site and the admin said that "note that the Judeans were almost solely T" and the jews had a lot of T's but he also said they had E's. Jews say Jesus was from the tribe of Judah so he was Judean, I don't know if islam said the same. There is also several T Arab tribes and some Adnani or non adnani arab tribes have 40-60%+ haplogroup T. Kuwait and Bahrain royal families are said to be T and Qatar and Saudi are also possibly T.
Some person also said on Eupedia "Banu shayban and Banu Rabiah are an offshoot of Bani Bakr bin Wail.They are Adnanites(direct descendants of Adnaan....Adnaan is a grands0n of Ishmaeil son of Abraham. If you go to arab sites for y dna research(you must know arabic) you will clearly see many people of Banu Rabiah and other offshoots of Shaybanis and even smaller tribes descendants of Bakr bin Wael are all haplogroup T."
In another text he said answering a person "I wrote banu Shaybani( not banu shaybah the key owners of kaaba).Banu shaybani are related to Bakr ibn Wael just like banu Rabiah and so many other Adnaanite tribes." So he didn't mean Banu shaiba, there is another tribe called banu shayban.
Here is them talking.
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Here is the Banu shayban tribe, not the banu shaiba.
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Even in the J-L859 FTDNA notable connection it says other haplogroups have been proposed for prophet Muhammad saw and this remains a contested topic.
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J1, J2, T, E, G several people claim quraysh, you can't just say they were J because of a kit of 1 or few people of the Jordanian royal family getting J and we haven't even seen those/that results/results. This are just a conjecture.
There other supposed proof is that the J sub clade have tw branches which is 100% ismail and 100% Ishaaq, it has 4 different lineages within that I checked the FTDNA it's like 4 different lineages within it now. Also T have a jewish and arab branch as well so it's not enough proof for the J-FGC8712 one. T-Y168797 has major 2 branches at the moment but a part of the T-Y16897 is 100% Jewish.
They said "Thus far, FGC8712 is the only SNP that maintain two parallel descending lines with: one line is 100% Ishamelite-Adnanite (~150 kits, mostly mid-eastern) and the other one is 100% Jacobite (~40 kits, mostly from eastern Europe)."
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If you got to FTDNA haplogroup story on it, it says it has 4 descendants now.
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Banu Shaiba also got T-Y16897, look on the FamilyTreeDNA Y DNA classic chart.
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Also on Haplogroup T (former K2) Project - Y-DNA Classic Chart it seems to be more Banu shaiba with T, the one I just sent had 2 members but the other seems to have 4 people. It could be the same 2 people with 2 additional people.
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On T haplogroup phylogenetic tree you can also see them cluster close to Isaaqs and Dirs.
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