Are we free in our Will or Are we NOT free???

[Basra]

Dateline- real crime documentary. A woman attorney gets killed by her psychologist husband. The couple met in college but never married immediately- the husband was ahead of her by 2 years. Both husband and wife were first married to another and they both divorced. The wife went after her college crush and married. They had two daughters. Years later- this so called crush husband killed his wife. The husband is a psychologist for Gods sake, he was using drugs- coke addict. How does this happen??? Mental health professional are not supposed to have drug problems. Anyway-- the police investigated years before arresting him. Which brings me to the question: Are we free?


No we are not. If you kill- u can run but u will be punished. The walls will close in ON you, and that is Gods promise.


Second of all, Did the killed wife run after her college crush or "love" her future killer subconsciously knowing she MUST do this????


Its like she was not free to live a free life. Her destiny is "Programmed" in her mind with illusion of crush and 'love' but really her brain was programmed for her destiny which is 2 kids and the husband killing her. Pre determined! Not free to choose.


So how can we be free if our future is already programed in us and makes us motivated to take a path already ordained! You are not free to choose another path!

 

[The truth seeker]

In the west you are free

 

[NordicSomali]

It’s wasn’t a deterministic path, there was a possibility that things could’ve ended up different, we don’t know what will happen but we can predict outcomes sometimes with good accuracy given factors of behavior that we already know by empirical evidence which will lead to certain outcomes, but it’s not a guarantee it will happen. It’s a probability.

 

[Hali101]

Sheep are such unfortunate animals! - there's always something happening to them! I never knew a flock pass a year without getting into some scrape or other."

 

[Basra]

In the west you are free


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What? Rubbish

 

[Basra]

It’s wasn’t a deterministic path, there was a possibility that things could’ve ended up different, we don’t know what will happen but we can predict outcomes sometimes with good accuracy given factors of behavior that we already know by empirical evidence which will lead to certain outcomes, but it’s not a guarantee it will happen. It’s a probability.

Sure it is not deterministic, and yes a possibility that things could've ended different, and yes WE DONT KNOW.


But what i am saying is- the "motivation" that will induce us to take a specific path is the control. It is just as deterministic as it is destiny. (the wife having a crush from a distance at a man and later going after him is a strong motivation,-it is primal and instictive)


For example -this lady had a crush on her husband for a long time. She asked her family to do the connection. They met- married and had a family, and was killed by him.


Right now i am just talking about the woman and her soul- not the husband. So the woman or wife whose destiny was to be killed by her husband- had strong urges and motivation for this man.

Its not like they met in a train by accident and fell in love.


The control or not being free is implanted in us by our different motivations to take certain paths,



for example i grew up in Africa loving American Hollywood movies, I was obsessed with America based on these internal urges- and i ended by in America while my siblings ended up other countries in the world



Yes we can guess and see how our lives will end up by empirical evidences but what if these empirical evidence is 90% our person desires and efforts which are implants or programmings set to stone as strong motivations?

 

[Basra]

Sheep are such unfortunate animals! - there's always something happening to them! I never knew a flock pass a year without getting into some scrape or other."

sheeps do not have active brains to install "motivations" they cannot be programed like humans.


They have a natural instincts or set in stones motivations which is to eat grass, and be lead by a Shepard

 

[cunug3aad]

My take is that the husband is free to do what he wants, so for example killing the wife and running away, However he is not free from the consequences of that action, ama the police and hebelow are free to chase after him and they will (most likely) do that, and because the police is more funded and skilled than the husband they will end up catching him.
Truly freedom you can only have it in solitude where there is no persons to respond to your actions or limit you in any way. Thats why its a stupid idea to make a society community based on freedom (mareykan) Because in a community to make it work each person has to take his own responsibility and load, meaning he is giving up some of his freedoms for the success of the community.

Second; you can also imagine the woman situation in a different way, that she had freedom to chase after the husband, but the woman's freedom or destiny does not matter because she is human, so she cannot see the inner plotting of her husband. This is qadr of Allaah, meaning she has the freedom to avoid this fate by leaving the husband, But because she does not know about what the husband will do She will not use this freedom. Because of that it does not work to think about this situation in terms of freedom, because she is not free to have this knowledge.

Freedom is a concept that people mischaracterise and use in the wrong way, which is bad because it leads to fitno about "we should/should not have this freedom" and they are not talking in the proper sense how this particular freedom works (mareykan guns and healthcare and wax kale), people should be educated on these topics otherwise it will end up represented by a corrupted version of its true self, like democracy in the western world

 

[Basra]

My take is that the husband is free to do what he wants, so for example killing the wife and running away, However he is not free from the consequences of that action, ama the police and hebelow are free to chase after him and they will (most likely) do that, and because the police is more funded and skilled than the husband they will end up catching him.
Truly freedom you can only have it in solitude where there is no persons to respond to your actions or limit you in any way. Thats why its a stupid idea to make a society community based on freedom (mareykan) Because in a community to make it work each person has to take his own responsibility and load, meaning he is giving up some of his freedoms for the success of the community.

Second; you can also imagine the woman situation in a different way, that she had freedom to chase after the husband, but the woman's freedom or destiny does not matter because she is human, so she cannot see the inner plotting of her husband. This is qadr of Allaah, meaning she has the freedom to avoid this fate by leaving the husband, But because she does not know about what the husband will do She will not use this freedom. Because of that it does not work to think about this situation in terms of freedom, because she is not free to have this knowledge.

Freedom is a concept that people mischaracterise and use in the wrong way, which is bad because it leads to fitno about "we should/should not have this freedom" and they are not talking in the proper sense how this particular freedom works (mareykan guns and healthcare and wax kale), people should be educated on these topics otherwise it will end up represented by a corrupted version of its true self, like democracy in the western world

Ok so how does Allaah swt qadr work? Allaah swt knows how everybody will end up like- he is the author of our lives in a snap.


But just like All Authors-- in order for a story to move from plot to plot--the characters have to be motivated.


So the woman motives to go after her husband was love or strong urges of desire.


The husband motives were- hey she is beautiful- and her family has money. Great motivations right there.


So that is why i say- if Allaah swt already decreed u a certain path--- motivations is necessary to be implanted in us to act on it- so that is not a free flow of will.


These motivations are the tricks our minds make as "free will"

 

[Hali101]

sheeps do not have active brains to install "motivations" they cannot be programed like humans.


They have a natural instincts or set in stones motivations which is to eat grass, and be lead by a Shepard

Every prophet was a shepherd it taught patience.

 

[Basra]

Every prophet was a shepherd it taught patience.

Yes. Allaah swt implanted the prophets pbuh with the motivations to be Shepards so that they can be ready for their future which is to Shepard humans to deen


So the motivations are put inside of us--to cater for our future actions just like prophets were given the internal motivation to be good Shepards for their work in the future

 

[cunug3aad]

The control or not being free is implanted in us by our different motivations to take certain paths,



for example i grew up in Africa loving American Hollywood movies, I was obsessed with America based on these internal urges- and i ended by in America while my siblings ended up other countries in the world



Yes we can guess and see how our lives will end up by empirical evidences but what if these empirical evidence is 90% our person desires and efforts which are implants or programmings?

Our actions is defined by our experience, because binaadan work in the way to fufill our natural instincts like the sheep you mentioned

sheeps do not have active brains to install "motivations" they cannot be programed like humans.


They have a natural instincts or set in stones motivations which is to eat grass, and be lead by a Shepard

Sax Human has a natural instinct aswell and it is to feel nool iyo wanaag, this is achieved through cunto iyo seexo iyo nin oo uu hadlid iyo naag oo uu galid, everything we are doing is an extension of one of these four goals for nool ama wanaag. We are like the sheep in this way

You went to america because of your love for hollywood movies and as a result the whole of america, from what you writing i dont know exactly what you find ideal but if i guess; america is a more wealthy place so you have better supply of cunto, you have better job so more time for peaceful better seexo (but the environment may be getting worse now), you have more time for nin naag oo aad ku hadlid, and in the movies you are shown better version of naag nin oo adi uu ku galid. This is how the brain is "programmed" to decide its next move
Alternatively binaadan avoids that which prevents nool iyo wanaag yacnii dimasho iyo xanuun iyo najaas

 

[cunug3aad]

Ok so how does Allaah swt qadr work? Allaah swt knows how everybody will end up like- he is the author of our lives in a snap.


But just like All Authors-- in order for a story to move from plot to plot--the characters have to be motivated.


So the woman motives to go after her husband was love or strong urges of desire.


The husband motives were- hey she is beautiful- and her family has money. Great motivations right there.


So that is why i say- if Allaah swt already decreed u a certain path--- motivations is necessary to be implanted in us to act on it- so that is not a free flow of will.


These motivations are the tricks our minds make as "free will"

Yes exactly infact Allaah does not even need to do this xayaatad dunyaa he already knows how we will end up, if he wanted to he would just judge us immediately, but if we didnt have this life to experience how we are "motivated" and act people would be uncomfortable saying "it could be different we never know"
This life test is a mercy for us it lets us change our ways

 

[NordicSomali]

Sure it is not deterministic, and yes a possibility that things could've ended different, and yes WE DONT KNOW.


But what i am saying is- the "motivation" that will induce us to take a specific path is the control. It is just as deterministic as it is destiny. (the wife having a crush from a distance at a man and later going after him is a strong motivation,-it is primal and instictive)


For example -this lady had a crush on her husband for a long time. She asked her family to do the connection. They met- married and had a family, and was killed by him.


Right now i am just talking about the woman and her soul- not the husband. So the woman or wife whose destiny was to be killed by her husband- had strong urges and motivation for this man.

Its not like they met in a train by accident and fell in love.


The control or not being free is implanted in us by our different motivations to take certain paths,



for example i grew up in Africa loving American Hollywood movies, I was obsessed with America based on these internal urges- and i ended by in America while my siblings ended up other countries in the world



Yes we can guess and see how our lives will end up by empirical evidences but what if these empirical evidence is 90% our person desires and efforts which are implants or programmings set to stone as strong motivations?

You’re very smart. Keep up the smart conversations