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You aren't Somali. What are you?
Somali ba ahay, how am I going to use another mans language to describe myself, the power is in one choosing to name oneself.
paragon
Keeping it Real Since 01/01/90
- Europeans did it to differentiate themselves from others. Creating an in-group and designating others as apart of an out-group. Europe isn't a continent, but is artificially demarcated from Asia.
- A split between Semetic speaking Ethiopians from their Cushitic speaking counterparts likely occured 3-3.5 kya, which coincides with the last admixture event that Somalis and Habeshis share. What I've also read is that the African element found among Somalis and Ethiopians is pre-Bantu, owning to the fact that the Bantu expansion did not affect those areas. There is genetic evidence of a West-Central-East-South migration that took place in the past 4,000 years, its quite recent. This could explain why many Africans today are not very genetically distinct (particularly those of the Niger-Congo stock). It is postulated that that the movement from East-to-West Africa occurred somewhere around ~40,000 years ago. And it is well established that the Africans that left East Africa were separated for several millenniums.
- . Melanesians have been isolated from Africans for so long (50,000 years) that even the Europeans appear equidistant or even closer to Africans than Melanesians are to Africans, the same can be said for people like the Negrito and the Andamese. Simply because they look superficially African doesn't mean they are genetically, so. According to Templeton (2006) The European population is closer in genetic distance to African populations than Melanesian populations.
- So, your aabo is black because a racist cop in Ohio called him the N-word. Does that mean he's only black when facing discrimination/unfair treatment? Has black become a catchall term for the "eternally downtrodden" or a "forever victim". It appears like that coming from your response. So why on God's green earth would I want to be associated with defeated people with grim prospects?
- Sxb, I did not come to Europe as a refugee. My parents were here long before that nation's collapse. We are Somali, but are not from Somalia proper (Hint - it's another country). Does that mean that I won't ever go back home? I certainly will especially, since the future looks promising.
- In our census we're allowed to specify our ethnicity. Must suck to be American, but I'm sure you can tick other.
-Africa always had boundaries although they were more of a tribal nature. Alx our ancestors did not allow encroachment like other nearly extinct African groups.
I suggest you check out this blog, the brother sources his material with references from peer reviewed articles which I've looked at. I trust his work:
http://anthromadness.blogspot.co.id/2016/02/admixture-into-and-within-sub-saharan.html
Templeton, A. R. (2006). Population Genetics and Microevolutionary Theory. John Wiley & Sons.
- A split between Semetic speaking Ethiopians from their Cushitic speaking counterparts likely occured 3-3.5 kya, which coincides with the last admixture event that Somalis and Habeshis share. What I've also read is that the African element found among Somalis and Ethiopians is pre-Bantu, owning to the fact that the Bantu expansion did not affect those areas. There is genetic evidence of a West-Central-East-South migration that took place in the past 4,000 years, its quite recent. This could explain why many Africans today are not very genetically distinct (particularly those of the Niger-Congo stock). It is postulated that that the movement from East-to-West Africa occurred somewhere around ~40,000 years ago. And it is well established that the Africans that left East Africa were separated for several millenniums.
- . Melanesians have been isolated from Africans for so long (50,000 years) that even the Europeans appear equidistant or even closer to Africans than Melanesians are to Africans, the same can be said for people like the Negrito and the Andamese. Simply because they look superficially African doesn't mean they are genetically, so. According to Templeton (2006) The European population is closer in genetic distance to African populations than Melanesian populations.
- So, your aabo is black because a racist cop in Ohio called him the N-word. Does that mean he's only black when facing discrimination/unfair treatment? Has black become a catchall term for the "eternally downtrodden" or a "forever victim". It appears like that coming from your response. So why on God's green earth would I want to be associated with defeated people with grim prospects?
- Sxb, I did not come to Europe as a refugee. My parents were here long before that nation's collapse. We are Somali, but are not from Somalia proper (Hint - it's another country). Does that mean that I won't ever go back home? I certainly will especially, since the future looks promising.
- In our census we're allowed to specify our ethnicity. Must suck to be American, but I'm sure you can tick other.
-Africa always had boundaries although they were more of a tribal nature. Alx our ancestors did not allow encroachment like other nearly extinct African groups.
I suggest you check out this blog, the brother sources his material with references from peer reviewed articles which I've looked at. I trust his work:
http://anthromadness.blogspot.co.id/2016/02/admixture-into-and-within-sub-saharan.html
Templeton, A. R. (2006). Population Genetics and Microevolutionary Theory. John Wiley & Sons.
This is the result of the cursed civil-war and mass migration to foreign nations. Here we have a whole generation that's confused as f*ck! If you have to ask yourself whether you're black or not then your next visit should be to a psychiatrist, mate. But before that, look yourself in the mirror. O dear!
Mohamud
ʜᴀᴄᴋᴇᴅ ᴍᴇᴍʙᴇʀ
Black People - is a term used in certain countries, often in socially based systems of racial classification or of ethnicity, to describe persons who are perceived to be dark-skinned compared to other given populations.
Based on this definition I would consider myself black.
Race - is a social construct, is a group of people who share similar and distinct physical characteristics, as well as shared cultural practices and affectations.
On this definition I wouldn't consider myself black as my race as we don't share many things other than our skin tone. But, in the United States,Somalis are considered Somalis or Somali-American as to Black people are known as African Americans or Black Americans. My mom always checked other though
Based on this definition I would consider myself black.
Race - is a social construct, is a group of people who share similar and distinct physical characteristics, as well as shared cultural practices and affectations.
On this definition I wouldn't consider myself black as my race as we don't share many things other than our skin tone. But, in the United States,Somalis are considered Somalis or Somali-American as to Black people are known as African Americans or Black Americans. My mom always checked other though
Black People - is a term used in certain countries, often in socially based systems of racial classification or of ethnicity, to describe persons who are perceived to be dark-skinned compared to other given populations.
Based on this definition I would consider myself black.
Race - is a social construct, is a group of people who share similar and distinct physical characteristics, as well as shared cultural practices and affectations.
On this definition I wouldn't consider myself black as my race as we don't share many things other than our skin tone. But, in the United States,Somalis are considered Somalis or Somali-American as to Black people are known as African Americans or Black Americans. My mom always checked other though
Really?
Aren't you an atheist?
The vast majority of somali culture centres itself around islam, so...
I would think atheist somalis would have a lot in common with other black people especially american blacks.
Name an experience in the somali culture that a Dawkins follower would respect or enjoy? Lol
Btw I never said he wasn't somali, I just thought it wierd that a somali american who is not a muslim couldn't relate to black Americans.
Many black Americans are atheists if not they're non religious christians. Many actually hate Christianity.
No, I consider myself Somali because it's my ethnicity. There are a lot of unique things in the Somali culture that isn't tied to Islam. Also, just because I'm an Atheist doesn't mean I hate 100% of Islam or religion in general. In my opinion, religion is made up just like art and that doesn't mean I don't like or enjoy aspects of Islam or religion in general. Why would I have more in common with black Americans? Are you saying that sense were godless we would party, gang bang and have random sex with random chicks every week (stereotyping blacks here)? I have more in common with the western European culture. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in Somalis/Somalia's affairs or culture.
If you are here to bad mouth me, then I don't want any of it saxib.
I agree. Even though I'm student and I do keep my circle very small, if I wanted to expand my social group it would mostly contain of whites and east Asians because I live in city where there is more whites and Asian compare to blacks. Also more whites and Asians are less religious compared to blacks no matter education, income etc.
Mohamud
ʜᴀᴄᴋᴇᴅ ᴍᴇᴍʙᴇʀ
- Sense of family (i.e. no shame in staying home before you're married)
- Sense of nationalism (a lot of Somali atheists still wish for Somalia to improve as a nation)
Reality is Somalis aren't that in tune with their culture to begin with. And the few aspects we cherish aren't always linked with religious values. But I could be wrong considering everything I know about Somalis is residual and conscripted outside of the nation itself.
Plus most blacks are still religious. I refuse to believe this has changed too much over the years. In fact, they're about the few truly practicing Christians left in America outside of the south. Church going is a necessity for most of them. The things these people have done to Church-going. Simply breathtaking. It's a legit celebration every Sunday coolio
My social circle is split down the middle with Somalis and other African groups on one side, and white people on the other. That's how it should be
Plus a few East and South Asians.
- Sense of nationalism (a lot of Somali atheists still wish for Somalia to improve as a nation)
Reality is Somalis aren't that in tune with their culture to begin with. And the few aspects we cherish aren't always linked with religious values. But I could be wrong considering everything I know about Somalis is residual and conscripted outside of the nation itself.
Plus most blacks are still religious. I refuse to believe this has changed too much over the years. In fact, they're about the few truly practicing Christians left in America outside of the south. Church going is a necessity for most of them. The things these people have done to Church-going. Simply breathtaking. It's a legit celebration every Sunday coolio
My social circle is split down the middle with Somalis and other African groups on one side, and white people on the other. That's how it should be
Plus a few East and South Asians.
paragon
Keeping it Real Since 01/01/90
You seem beholden to it America's perspective on 'race' . I think this has more to do with your experience in that country, a place with a finite view on race and lingering legacy of mistreatment of madows that pervades American collective consciousness, today. In the past, even South Asians were confused for madows, and lynched. To be frank, I don't care for other ethnics beyond Somalis. If you are into that good for you. We just come from different paradigms ma garatay I have never been called that in my life and I've lived in an ethnic focused-society. I have not been cleaved with madows like you are or unfairly mistreated by store keepers or police. I also notice that most Somalis are opportunistically black, only as it relates to discrimination, while they hold highly prejudicial views of madows behind closed doors. I find that hypocritical. So I choose not to self-identify as such, it's disingenuous. Nigerians are among the highest educated group in the US, but they only constitute a small segment of the population of people with African descent. However, they are a mere drop in the sea of America. In the US people don't consider the idyllic picture of high achieving continental Africans with intact cultures and families, rather the dominate image is of broken New World madows with disintegrated families, high levels of promiscuity and staggering rates of underachievement.
Btw Somalis have variable hair textures, ranging from wavy to afro-textured. Their features vary, but there appears to be an archetypal look that is widespread. And although Somalis have a phenotype that is often used to demonstrated diversity on the continent, they are in no way the standard for people in Sub-Saharan Africa. Africa is a large continent and the only reason SSA countries are aggregated together is because of similar levels of development (with few exceptions). Some countries that are in SSA are actually in the Sahara, and other countries in Easternmost Africa don't even have a Sahara lol. At the end of the day race is a politically loaded term and a self-respecting geneticist wouldn't use it.
Tassi, F., Ghirotto, S., Mezzavilla, M., Vilaça, S. T., De Santi, L., & Barbujani, G. (2015). Early modern human dispersal from Africa: genomic evidence for multiple waves of migration.Investigative genetics,6(1), 1.
https://investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13323-015-0030-2
Btw Somalis have variable hair textures, ranging from wavy to afro-textured. Their features vary, but there appears to be an archetypal look that is widespread. And although Somalis have a phenotype that is often used to demonstrated diversity on the continent, they are in no way the standard for people in Sub-Saharan Africa. Africa is a large continent and the only reason SSA countries are aggregated together is because of similar levels of development (with few exceptions). Some countries that are in SSA are actually in the Sahara, and other countries in Easternmost Africa don't even have a Sahara lol. At the end of the day race is a politically loaded term and a self-respecting geneticist wouldn't use it.
Tassi, F., Ghirotto, S., Mezzavilla, M., Vilaça, S. T., De Santi, L., & Barbujani, G. (2015). Early modern human dispersal from Africa: genomic evidence for multiple waves of migration.Investigative genetics,6(1), 1.
https://investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13323-015-0030-2
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