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[Hafez]

@Hafez I know you wahhabis lie, if it will help spread your corrupt satanic faith, but ill give you the benefit of the doubt. At the university of Denmark, they have analyzed Sunnis vs Wahhabis on innovation, see page 212 https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/jais/volume/docs/vol13/v13_10_mathiesen_191-219.pdf Is the academic also a liar on the matter?

I'm quoting the Prophet (SAW), the Sahaba and senior ulamaa' to you and you're calling me a liar? The academics can go to hell. They don't know crap. Even Rand corporation classed Sufis (i.e. the modern Sufis) and traditional Sunnis as two different denominations.

I'm quoting the Qur'an, Sunnah, sayings of the Sahaba, etc. to you and you're quoting me academics? Have you lost your mind?

Anyway, it doesn't matter how much I prove to you and inform you about this topic, you will not accept the truth. YOU CAN'T PROVIDE ONE EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S SUCH A THING CALLED BID'AH (FII ISTALAA7 AL ULAMAA, LAA LUGHA) THAT'S ACCEPTED. ALL SCHOLARS PAST AND PRESENT HAVE REJECTED THIS.

The cult al-ahbash has been rejected by the Muslims on SomaliSpot. Get outta here.

 

[Young Popeye]

I'm quoting the Prophet (SAW), the Sahaba and senior ulamaa' to you and you're calling me a liar? The academics can go to hell. They don't know crap. Even Rand corporation classed Sufis (i.e. the modern Sufis) and traditional Sunnis as two different denominations.

I'm quoting the Qur'an, Sunnah, sayings of the Sahaba, etc. to you and you're quoting me academics? Have you lost your mind?

Anyway, it doesn't matter how much I prove to you and inform you about this topic, you will not accept the truth. YOU CAN'T PROVIDE ONE EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S SUCH A THING CALLED BID'AH (FII ISTALAA7 AL ULAMAA, LAA LUGHA) THAT'S ACCEPTED. ALL SCHOLARS PAST AND PRESENT HAVE REJECTED THIS.

The cult al-ahbash has been rejected by the Muslims on SomaliSpot. Get outta here.

Sorry, you dont represent Sunnis but the Ibn taymiyyah/wahhabi position. I presented Yusuf Hamza and you call him an idiot. I presented to you analysis from academics and they are liars. I told you Sunnis believe your misinterpreting the Prophets (SAW) words. Much like the wahhabis you claim to follow "quran and sunnah" while rejecting the majority position on this matter. I hope readers are aware: This hadith, which is confirmed and of the sahih classification, is a foundation for proving the validity of the good innovations in Islam. The good innovation is called the 'liked innovation'. The saying of the Prophet in the hadith refers to the good innovation as opposed to the bad innovation signifying that it includes those innovations that comply with the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet. Every innovation innovated by the people of knowledge that complies with the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet is a good innovation, as indicated by the above-mentioned hadith of the Prophet: <<He who innovates a good innovation in Islam would have the reward of it and of those who practice with it until the Day of Judgementwithout lessening the reward of those who practice with it.>>Those who denied the good innovation--namely the Wahhabis--originated in the location of Najd in Saudi Arabia. The Prophet dispraisedNajd, as related by al-Bukhariyy http://www.aicp.org/index.php/islam...ish/47-innovations-of-guidance-are-rewardable

 

[Hafez]

Sorry, you dont represent Sunnis but the Ibn taymiyyah/wahhabi position. I presented Yusuf Hamza and you call him an idiot. I presented to you analysis from academics and they are liars. I told you Sunnis believe your misinterpreting the Prophets (SAW) words. Much like the wahhabis you claim to follow "quran and sunnah" while rejecting the majority position on this matter. I hope readers are aware: This hadith, which is confirmed and of the sahih classification, is a foundation for proving the validity of the good innovations in Islam. The good innovation is called the 'liked innovation'. The saying of the Prophet in the hadith refers to the good innovation as opposed to the bad innovation signifying that it includes those innovations that comply with the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet. Every innovation innovated by the people of knowledge that complies with the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet is a good innovation, as indicated by the above-mentioned hadith of the Prophet: <<He who innovates a good innovation in Islam would have the reward of it and of those who practice with it until the Day of Judgementwithout lessening the reward of those who practice with it.>>Those who denied the good innovation--namely the Wahhabis--originated in the location of Najd in Saudi Arabia. The Prophet dispraisedNajd, as related by al-Bukhariyy http://www.aicp.org/index.php/islam...ish/47-innovations-of-guidance-are-rewardable

Dude, I didn’t call Hamza Yusuf an idiot, I’ve enjoyed watching his lectures but you got the impression that he tried to pass off the classifications of Al-Izz ibn Abdusalaam (RH) as the consensus of the ulama when this isn’t the case.

Are you serious right now? I’ve quoted this hadith to you in FULL already.

“Jarir bin Abdullah reported that some desert Arabs clad in woolen clothes came to Allah's Messenger. He saw them in sad plight as they had been hard pressed by need. He (the Holy Prophet) exhorted people to give charity, but they showed some reluctance until (signs) of anger could be seen on his face. Then a person from the Ansar came with a purse containing silver. Then came another person and then other persons followed them in succession until signs of happiness could be seen on his (sacred) face. Thereupon Allah's Messenger said: He who introduced some good practice in Islam which was followed after him (by people) he would be assured of reward like one who followed it, without their rewards being diminished in any respect. And he who introduced some evil practice in Islam which had been followed subsequently (by others), he would be required to bear the burden like that of one who followed this (evil practice) without their being diminished in any respect.” [Ref: Muslim, B34, H6466]

So you do think giving in charity (which is what happened in the hadith above, the hadith that you just quoted in an abbreviated version) is an actual bid’ah? You’re actually insane if that’s the case. Bid’ah here is in linguistic terms and I’ve provided evidence from ulamaa like Imam Shafi (RH) and Ibn Hajar (RH).

Everything must be from our religion, or something that had a prior example (like poetry, playing daff in celebrations and the likes).

The link that you’ve provided indirectly strengthens my point. All of the bid’ah examples he has given have their basis in the Qur’an and Sunnah. I.e. making the Arabic letters on mushaf more intelligible, ilm ul rijaal to protect the ahadith of the Prophet (SAW) and to prevent people from lying against the Prophet (SAW).

the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Telling lies about me is not like telling lies about anyone else. Whoever tells lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1229.

Bid’ah in the sense of beginning/reviving something (that is from Islam) is completely allowed, one example is some of the practices associated with mawlid.

Imam Ibn Hajar said: "Celebrating Mawlid is an innovation in the sense that there is no mention of it during the first three generations; nevertheless, there are many benefits, as well as evils, associated with this practice. If, therefore, one were to be keen on making use of its benefits while shunning the evils associated with it, it would be deemed as a good innovation; otherwise, we cannot consider it as such." He added: "I have found a sound basis for considering the commemoration of the Mawlid as a good practice. I am referring here to the authentic report by Al-Bukhari and Muslim: When the Prophet arrived in Madinah, he saw the Jews fasting the tenth of Muharram; when he asked them about it, they said: ‘It is the day that Allah drowned Pharaoh and saved Musa; so we are fasting in order to thank Allah for it"… We can infer from this that we are allowed to express gratitude to Allah for a blessing that Allah has bestowed on us or a favor, or averting a calamity; it can be celebrated every year. And thanking Allah can be by offering prostrations, fasting, acts of charity, reciting the Qur’an. Can there be a greater blessing than that of the arrival of the Prophet of mercy?... However while celebrating this event one should limit it to giving thanks to Allah by reciting the Qur’an, feeding the poor, offering charity, and singing the praises of the Prophet and such actions that would inspire the hearts to do good works and remember the next world."

Like I told you, actions that have their basis in Islam and are not completely alien to it can be accepted. For example, I can't just dance around and claim that this is an act of ibaadah, it must have its basis in the religion.

Look man, if you’re too thick to understand this wallahi I don’t know what I can do for you. This is something in which there is consensus. If you lie against the ulamaa (while providing no evidence) and say they’ve made consensus on something which they haven’t, you’re going to be held accountable in Qiyaamah.