Atheists

[FiftyPence]

It's important to answer these questions. It will strengthen the faith of people in doubt.

But sadly some people only know brute force and avoid questions.

Check the video from this thread.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/wtf-umar-binu-khattab-as-a-khalif-hit-a-guy-for-simply-asking-a-religious-question.103653/

Thank you, I will check it out.

 

[Mozart]

Quran isn't a book. It was made into a book after the prophet died. We don't say a compilation of speeches is a book just because it was written down.

So the prophet narrated it and then people compiled it into a book after his death ?

 

[Juke]

So the prophet narrated it and then people compiled it into a book after his death ?

Yes the caliphs compiled it from multiple sources after the prophet died

 

[Royalflush]

You’re right allah chooses whom he gives his guidance to
That doesn’t mean don’t look for guidance yourself
It’s like saying allah has already written down my rizq for me so I won’t search for it or Allah has written down my death for me so I’ll go in a war with no helmet and protection
The guidance part is spiritual belief but you have to take action yourself
Do constant dua for guidance and forgiveness, seek knowledge etc

@gbrlax3 i hope this answers your confusion as to why Allah doesn’t give guidance to everyone

 

[Royalflush]

Qur'an 3:54
Arabic: ومكروا ومكر الله والله خير الماكرين
Transliteration: Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena
Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.[2]

belive in Allah and worship him or either get cucked by shatan

That’s not the correct translation
Instead of cheaters use planners or plotters
Cheaters/deceivers is disrespectful to Allah

 

[gbrlax3]

Allahs guids who he wans is when also the person puts little bit effort in to learning Islam. and understanding it correctly, some ppl are just lazy

 

[المهندس]

It’s still a book. Your belief system is based on your faith that some guy in the past had god’s word spoken to him and they wrote it down lol . Don’t you think a god, especially the way he’s described in religion as all knowing/powerful etc would have given a better sign to latter generations, rather than a book?

Even then, the book is logically flawed. Take god’s characteristics, in practice are they what you see on earth ? Everything points to god being an ego-maniac rather than the 99 names ascribed to him.

The most merciful entity creates a kid in a vegetative state from birth yet the best proof of a better afterlife he can offer them is some words in a book lol sounds crazy to me

If you read his biography seerah ( which you haven't) you would know that he was divinely sent, his attributes, mannerisms, characteristics etc were not like the average person. From birth- adulthood he didnt lie, he didn't decieve, he didn't sin, he didn't backbite he was a pure individual and the quraysh knew this. Hence why the quraysh had a hard time refuting him because he was known as the truthful one, they use to trust their assets with him cause they knew he was trustworthy, they even said we would believe everything you say but this knowledge you have come with we cannot accept it, ( due to their arrogance).



So you tell me, if someone for their whole life was known as trustworthy, forbearing and just why would he make up a sudden lie ? , the quran itself rebuked him for some of his actions, how can someone rebuke themselves especially if they are trying to gain power (as gaals claim), if someone wanted to gain power they wouldn't live in poverty willingly and rebuke themselves ??


The signs of life are an indicator of a omnipotent god existing, you're existent, life/death is a sign of a creator, everything you see around you has an origin, unless you believe we evolved like some pokemon lol, - even western scientists say evolution is flawed they want to replace it with a new theory... talk about not having trust in your own assumptions


The destruction upon earth is what humans have bought upon themselves, Allah says this in the quran.



Modern scientists themselves are proving that life after death exists they say the consciousness exists after death for a few mins, but we know that it exists for longer than few mins you see science tries to disprove Allah using logic and technology but then it comes back at them because it proves Allah exists- the irony


I conclude with this statement

Ibn Taymiyah said:


" Based on this, everything that He does, we know that there is wisdom behind it. This is sufficient for us in general terms, even if we do not know the details. Our lack of knowledge about the details of His wisdom is like our lack of knowledge about the details of His Essence. Just as it is proven that His attributes are perfect but we cannot know how His Essence is, so we do not reject what we know and are sure of (that He is perfect) because of what we do not know (the details of His perfection)."



This is expert a man who was well versed in jurisprudence and logic, he even understood at some times we have to say " We do not know" but this is the issue with people like your mindset you go beyond trying to figure out stuff that you fall into a endless spiral which eventually leads you to reject a creator.

 

[Anubis]

Yes, Allah chooses not to guide certain individuals.

If you disagree with what I said then he is not the overseer and has no power on his subjects.

Btw I hope you guys don't think I am gaal, I am Muslim and many scholars hold similar views to me.

Are you dense mate? How could god misguide someone? That goes against our will power. If interferes with individual people’s choice then how could he judge them for what he chose for them?

Your'e mistaking the means that would lead to a result with the result it self.
Following your logic a sick man could say why should i take my medication if my fate has already been predestined. Every action that you take is predestined so is the result of all of the actions. No one knows what Allah has predestined for them. Allah commanded us to act first and then we will achieve our desired result by the will of Allah. If you wanted a job you wouldn't sit home and say if Allah wills it it will happen. you have to apply for a job first similarly you can't disbelieve in Allah and say if Allah wills it he will guide me. Allah (SWT) says:
ان الله لا يغير ما بقوم حتى يغيروا ما بانفسهم
God does not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.

 

[Anubis]

Loool saxib I am not arguing about whether I have free will or not, I am arguing about the fact that you said that god guides who he wants and then within the same sentence said that we have free will. That doesn’t make any sense. Your confused.

Allah did not impose certain matters upon you. You were given a free will. Allah has the knowledge of everything you do before you do them however you as an individual have the capacity and the choice to think and act. Allah's guidance isn't forced upon you. I suggest you learn the definition of "guidance".

 

[Anubis]

@where! You said you're a Muslim yet you do not believe in Pre-destiny which is one of the 6 pillars of faith (pillars of Iman). No Muslim can be a Muslim without believing in them.

 

[al-Mu'tamid المعتمد]

the fact of the matter is that these people have the Qur'an infront of them and 2 bilion people are witnesses to it, but they still reject it that does not make them anything except kafirs. Isn't the point of religion the conveying of a message, people like @Mozart act as if Allah sending a book is weird eventhough he knows it exist proofs it is effective.

 

[Mozart]

the fact of the matter is that these people have the Qur'an infront of them and 2 bilion people are witnesses to it, but they still reject it that does not make them anything except kafirs. Isn't the point of religion the conveying of a message, people like @Mozart act as if Allah sending a book is weird eventhough he knows it exist proofs it is effective.

I’m an Agnostic meaning I don’t know about the creation of the universe nor a god which is a logical position.

Religion is faith in the unknown lol you don’t have tangible proof that your beliefs are true and that’s fine. Religion is supposed to answer those questions but I cant reconcile many things about the logic behind it. How exactly is the Quran complete proof of a god ?

You’re Somali hence very likely to be Muslim. An Indian is likely to be Sikh/Hindu likewise someone from Israel will be Jewish. The biggest defining factor on the god and religion you’ll believe is in something out of your control, is that not arrogance ?

 

[Boogie]

I might leave somalispot for a little after reading these idiotic posts that come out of grown adults mouth. I do not want any of u idiots using the age card after this. 68 IQ is true for some of the people on this thread astagfuallah how is one this stupid when the internet is free? Do u just want to create conflict? Do u dislike muslims? What is the reason of this chosen ignorance? You can choose ur actions. Just stop lying and manipulating Islam. Please.

 

[al-Mu'tamid المعتمد]

I’m an Agnostic meaning I don’t know about the creation of the universe nor a god which is a logical position.

Religion is faith in the unknown lol you don’t have tangible proof that your beliefs are true and that’s fine. Religion is supposed to answer those questions but I cant reconcile many things about the logic behind it. How exactly is the Quran complete proof of a god ?

You’re Somali hence very likely to be Muslim. An Indian is likely to be Sikh/Hindu likewise someone from Israel will be Jewish. The biggest defining factor on the god and religion you’ll believe is in something out of your control, is that not arrogance ?

The Qur'an isn't the only proof of Allah. Also it doesn't matter if ur a jew or whatever if Allah intends guidance for you you will receive and no one will be able to stop it.

 

[Anubis]

You’re Somali hence very likely to be Muslim. An Indian is likely to be Sikh/Hindu likewise someone from Israel will be Jewish. The biggest defining factor on the god and religion you’ll believe is in something out of your control, is that not arrogance ?

You have the ability to choose your religion. There are 200 million Muslims in India. There are 1.5 million Muslims (some of them Jewish converts) in what you call "Israel". Also you logic could be applied to you. you're Somali hence you were most likely born as a Muslim before you choose to become an agnostic. You choose to become an agnostic so it was in your control.

 

[Mozart]

You have the ability to choose your religion. There are 200 million Muslims in India. There are 1.5 million Muslims (some of them Jewish converts) in what you call "Israel". Also you logic could be applied to you. you're Somali hence you were most likely born as a Muslim before you choose to become an agnostic. You choose to become an agnostic so it was in your control.

How many people leave a religion to join another? Minimal numbers. Having the ability to choose your religion applies to people who grow up with a blank canvas. Being taught a religion from the age of 6 heavily influences your ‘choice’.

 

[Royalflush]

How many people leave a religion to join another? Minimal numbers. Having the ability to choose your religion applies to people who grow up with a blank canvas. Being taught a religion from the age of 6 heavily influences your ‘choice’.

So what influenced you to become agnostic

 

[Mozart]

So what influenced you to become agnostic

I wasn’t really taught religion growing up. I had to focus more on school. I read the Quran towards the end of 2020 and I just didn’t believe it’s an explanation with enough proof for our existence.

 

[Royalflush]

I wasn’t really taught religion growing up. I had to focus more on school. I read the Quran towards the end of 2020 and I just didn’t believe it’s an explanation with enough proof for our existence.

You read it but did you read it
You should’ve research properly plus the blame is also on your parents they failed in their duty

 

[The alchemist]

You have to understand that many leave due to how the religion was practiced within their own environment. Ask Allah to change their hearts and be gentle with them. You never know, that might be how they come back.

Most of them leave because of lifestyle. You could provide reasonable answers to their questions, and it would still not be enough.