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He will be the first oday to be arrested by both SL and Somalia.
Boqor Buurmadow in hot water after supporting Godane AS
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Child soldiers, suicide, and he openly gave allegiance/sovereignty to a foreign group.
Godane is top 5 evil figures of Somali history and hes probably not 5.
We have evidence he killed those who are working under the British but can you provide evidence of him glorifying killing of Somalis not under the British for the mere fact they arent his supporters? (non-British war period sources)
Most of his actions were proudly spoken about in his poems shouldnt be hard to find if true.
The ICU and AS both were working with Eritrea anyways to dislodge their rivals. Either way its a false parallel because one is literally gaalo-raac and colonial subjects and the other is just allied and taking weapons/training from gaalo as a sovereign entity to fight another group who took weapons and allegedly training from Eritrea.
This is a religous matter, to give the gaal label to anyone supporting the british against the Dervish was undoubtedly the rightful designation. If you want we can go the Quran for that.
- Somalis have been recruiting child soldiers since 1980s until now.
- Al Shabaab under Aweys & Ayrow carried out suicide attacks as well, hardly anything new.
- "Foreign groups" don't believe in modern concept of sovereign nation states they believe all Muslim countries are one. There is no difference between Wahabi & Salihiya they both originated in foreign lands and held similar ideology.
I could careless about poems the British records documented his atrocities against Somalis based on their agreement with colonial powers and even those who are neutral. That's the contention. He's no different than Godane who considers the Somali government and it's supporters Gaalo raciyaal. It is also hypocritical of him to wage war against other Somalis based on colonial agreements when he himself was a colonial subject under the protection of Italians in Iliq with the infamous Pestalozza deal. At least Godane never signed an agreement with the Gaalo he fought and stayed true to his twisted ideology. So which one is it Abdalla Hassan can enter agreements with foreign powers thus it's xalaal or only he can sign agreements with colonial powers and everyone else can't?
You just shot yourself on the foot the TFG and to a large extent the current FGS are seen by Al Shabaab as colonial subjects that lacks sovereignty. If AMISOM leaves today they'll collapse in weeks like the Afghani Government this is the biggest evidence SFG is nothing but a western shell on life support. Your Jubaland's state very own existence is dependent on Somalia's lack of sovereignty. Jubaland is Kenyan subject in all but name.
You don't see the irony in your argument. It got more holes than a swiss cheese. Al Shabaab could claim SFG is subservient puppet to western powers propped up by AMISOM & Ethiopian troops fighting Al Shabaab. I can't believe you wrote this with a straight face pleading to Islam when Al Shabaab have more "religious authority" than SFG.
You hanged yourself with your own rope.
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Dhagaxdheer
Adal State
We call people from the former Italian Somalia WanlaweynYou know the term Wanlaweyn is an insult at the PL dominated SYL not reer Koonfur.
@Kanan your entire argument relies on three things
Also if you have a primary source to the illig agreement I would be more then happy to take it. The Italians in Illig retreated and it was made a base for the Dervish housing a castle/fort. By no accounts of the time were the Dervish referred to as part of the Italian colonies/protectorates. Rather they were seen as the victors liberating a new territory, Nugaal.
It was also quite common for the Italians to forge different terms in the Italian version of contracts aswell but what we do have is the obvious reality the Dervish were the ones controlling the former Italian territory not the reverse along with the fact that he was offered a “country to the west” by the British but refused.
- British colonial sources being unbias in a time of a war against Africans
- Somalia today or any state literally being a colony of a (christian) empire not hyperbolically
- AS having more religous authority then the current states
Also if you have a primary source to the illig agreement I would be more then happy to take it. The Italians in Illig retreated and it was made a base for the Dervish housing a castle/fort. By no accounts of the time were the Dervish referred to as part of the Italian colonies/protectorates. Rather they were seen as the victors liberating a new territory, Nugaal.
It was also quite common for the Italians to forge different terms in the Italian version of contracts aswell but what we do have is the obvious reality the Dervish were the ones controlling the former Italian territory not the reverse along with the fact that he was offered a “country to the west” by the British but refused.
- When you use British records to affirm Ogaden right in Jubaland it is not a biased source but when I use it to prove Darawish brutality it's suddenly not good enough. An Archive written in realtime holds more water than a poem.
- This point is mute, if Abdalla Hassan was alive today he'd wage jihad against SFG including your very own Jubaland state. By his own standards Somalia today is run by corrupt secular politicians spoon feed by Gaalo.
- Off course it does you think Al Shabaab care about democracy, 4.5 or FMS propped up by Kenyans/Ethiopians. I've seen you before brage about Kenyan troops when FKDing Marexaan that's the furthest thing from Islam. You literally hold two contradicting views when it comes to Islam & Jubaland state.
The terms of Pestalozza agreement were clear.
There are extensive correspondences between the British & Ina Hassan detailing his manipulation of clans and the geopolitics at that time. But it's rather clear he willingly agreed to become an Italian subject in exchange for self governance, the very thing he waged war against other Somalis for. At least Godane didn't submit to foreign powers and fought to the bitter end.
He was a Salafite criminal who killed Sh Aweys al Qaadiri. Peaceful sufis will never support that mad man.
Fake British propaganda.
Dude he broke the agreement of Pestalozza, gathered his forces at Garow, ran through Sool and your hometown Buuhoodle. If it wasn't for the Indian troops disembarking he would've probably ran through Burco & Berbera as well.
His brutal, cutthroat opportunistic antics is what made him last so long.
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What a dumb take their is no motive for the British to make up all of those refrences to clan settlement in JL. Their is great motive for two warring parties to use hyperbole against each other. Heres a resource to teach you what you missed in school.
How to Teach Students to Identify Bias in a Primary Source - Social Studies
Social Studies How to Teach Students to Identify Bias in a Primary Source
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The point is mute but you continue to argue it and still fail to provide evidence that Somalia is literally a colony(not hyperbole)
I have many posts explaining my position regarding Gedo I dont know what posts your talking about nor do I really care your grasping at straws.
I dont believe Jubbaland nor any fms to be unislamic the burden of proof is on the AS sympathizers.
Your own source clearly sets the difference between the Dervish dependents(Dhulos etc) and the dependents of the British(Isaaq) and Italys dependents(MJs). Italy is the one that ceded territory for a dervish base this is like saying Somalia made Erdogan a colonial subject because the turkish base in Somalia has a Somali flag
Can one man be so stupid as to claim the dervish as a colony of italy against England? The conspiracy theories just to prove your adeer Godane wasnt a scumbag
lol AS have given themselves years ago and regularly openly renew their allegiance. He didnt fight to the bitter end he sent 15 year olds to suicide and died in a strike whilst regularly hiding his face from the public thinking he was safe.
Organization of points I refute
- AS are in the religous right in Somalia over government bodies
- The Dervishes were one of the Italian colonies in Africa
- Godane/AS independence from foreign powers
- FGS and/or FMS are literal colonies of gaal empires and carry a parallel ruling
- War time sources from one party around the subject of morality or accusations of crimes are reliable
I don’t trust colonist sources, racists who wiped out half of humanity, who’s point is to spread bad news and evil things about their enemies.
The Sayid & Ismail mirre etc were using Gabays to spread the bad things the British as well but I’d sooner trust them then the other way around.
Darswish had good and bad. Most of which was dblock civil wars and warlike mentality.
There should be a collection of history from our side in a book from that time but sadly most of them are dead or dying.
And there is no motive for the British to fabricate a Darvish invasion from present day Puntland especially when they already signed a peace agreement and evacuated much of Somaliland. This happened at a time they were engaging in WW1.
You're being purposefully obtuse. Are you denying that Jubaland is not under direct control of Kenya or Southwest state is not under direct control of Ethiopia/AMISOM. Outright colonization or a vassal state they're both subservient to Gaalo. Semantics and splitting hair.
Your own source clearly sets the difference between the Dervish dependents(Dhulos etc) and the dependents of the British(Isaaq) and Italys dependents(MJs). Italy is the one that ceded territory for a dervish base this is like saying Somalia made Erdogan a colonial subject because the turkish base in Somalia has a Somali flag
Can one man be so stupid as to claim the dervish as a colony of italy against England? The conspiracy theories just to prove your adeer Godane wasnt a scumbag
Oh so now you do acknowledge the British source and Sayid signing a protection agreement with Italians in exchange for autonomous rule. You forget this part.
"Authorized by the Italian government"
"Under the protection of the Italian government and under their flag"
Does this sound like an autonomous region or full fledged sovereign state? Regardless the point I'm making here is that he entered an agreement with the Italians & British while massacring anyone who does the same. That sounds hypocritical, no?
Yes we can both agree to that. Godane was a scum but so was the Sayid. At least Al Qaeda shared an ideology and a goal with Al Shabaab agree on merging. What does Abdallah Hasan shares with Italians or British exactly to sign an agreement? His whole movement was based on religious war petting Muslim Somalis vs Gaal Europeans but than he submitted to one of them wtf!
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