Boqor Buurmadow in hot water after supporting Godane AS

[Kanan]

I don’t trust colonist sources, racists who wiped out half of humanity, who’s point is to spread bad news and evil things about their enemies.
The Sayid & Ismail mirre etc were using Gabays to spread the bad things the British as well but I’d sooner trust them then the other way around.

Darswish had good and bad. Most of which was dblock civil wars and warlike mentality.

You could apply the same argument on Darawish arguing that they're spreading bad news about their enemies be it colonial powers or other Somalis. That said contemporary primary sources written shortly after the events unfolded will hold more weight than poems.

 

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And there is no motive for the British to fabricate a Darvish invasion from present day Puntland especially when they already signed a peace agreement and evacuated much of Somaliland. This happened at a time they were engaging in WW1.

I accepted that source as it is neither boastful of party A nor a smear of party B in a time of conflict and is primary.

Also Invasion? Your source says it was sanctioned by Suldaan Yusuf and Boqor Cismaan

You're being purposefully obtuse. Are you denying that Jubaland is not under direct control of Kenya or Southwest state is not under direct control of Ethiopia/AMISOM. Outright colonization or a vassal state they're both subservient to Gaalo. Semantics and splitting hair.

Yes I completely deny that please provide evidence, thank you.

Oh so now you do acknowledge the British source and Sayid signing a protection agreement with Italians in exchange for autonomous rule. You forget this part.View attachment 208149

"Authorized by the Italian government"
"Under the protection of the Italian government and under their flag"

Does this sound like an autonomous region or full fledged sovereign state? Regardless the point I'm making here is that he entered an agreement with the Italians & British while massacring anyone who does the same. That sounds hypocritical, no?

Note my point, The Sayid accepted peace in return he received a base in Nugaal. Is Erdogan a colonial subject of Farmajo look the base has a Somali flag and is under Somali authoritzation

Oh my god Xi Jinping is being colonized by Djibouti they have a flag at their base under DJIBOUTIAN AUTHORIZATION

 

[reer]

You could apply the same argument on Darawish arguing that they're spreading bad news about their enemies be it colonial powers or other Somalis. That said contemporary primary sources written shortly after the events unfolded will hold more weight than poems.

sayid maxamed is goated i only ever see irir iyo majerten wax ka sheego. sayidka ha noolaado madaxdii koowaad ee somalida. his power was strong enough to even enforce forced conscription.

 

[Ozark]

You could apply the same argument on Darawish arguing that they're spreading bad news about their enemies be it colonial powers or other Somalis. That said contemporary primary sources written shortly after the events unfolded will hold more weight than poems.

They were written by racists who did god knows how many genocides. Forgive me for not trusting what they say about their enemy.

 

[reer]

They were written by racists who did god knows how many genocides. Forgive me for not trusting what they say about their enemy.

sayidka is the greatest modern somali leader. he was 100 years ahead of his time. somalis were too xoolo to see his wisdom.

 

[TekNiKo]

@Kanan heres the poem
where Sheekh Aweys al Qaadiri stood up to the Mad Mullah and rejected his teachings. He was murdered by Dervishes and was a shahiid AUN theres no difference between Godane and Sayidka atleast be consistent they both justified killing Muslims and
made takfir, they both forcibly married Muslim wives and pillaged villages

Uways recited this poem criticizing the Sayyid[8]

صل على محمد واله واصرف بهم من كل سوء داهيه من اقتدى محمدا بشرعه لا يقتدى جماعة الشيطانية هم المبيحون دماء العلما والمال والحريم هم إباحيه ويمنعون الدرس للعلوم كالفقه والنحو هم الكراميه بكل شيخ مات كالجيلاني لا يتوسلون كالجناحيه لا يقتدرون خلف من له شعر سيماهم التحليق كالوهابيه ويشترون الجنة بمال في دارنا جهرا هم الكلابيه ويختلون بالحريم للإجا زة كأمهم فذا سفاحيه يتبعون رأيهم لا كتبنا ويدعون النور من بلاسيه ويفعلون النكر في ذكرهم فعلا وقولا يقتضي كفرانيه كاللعب قائلين أألله شكا به جلهم الشماليه لهم ضجيج وأنين وحنيــــــــن وفحيح كالكلاب الناحيه ويكثرون الحلف بالطلاق وينكرون الكلفة الالهيه ضلوا وأضلوا العباد في الثرى برا وبحرا اي من السماليه أليس ذو لب وفهم يغترر بهم ففر عنهم كالدواهيه‎

Give a prayer to Muhammad (Sayyid) and his family and turn, through them, from all evil calamities The ones who has immitated Muhammad (Prophet Muhammad) through his law does not follow the faction of Satan They are the justifiers of [spilling] the blood of the ulama and of wealth and women, they are libertines They prohibit the study of sciences such as law and grammar, they are the repugnant Through every Shaykh who has died such as Al-Jilanithey do not seek petition, like the faction of sin They do not follow behind the one who has locks of hair, their characteristic is to wear their hair like the Wahhabiyya They trade paradise for cash publicly, in our land, they are a sect of dogs They dally with women who come for license, like with their own mothers, and this is fornication They follow their own opinions, not our books, and they claim to the light from the faction of Satan And they practice denial at their dhikr, in word and action it requires blasphemy Like their game of saying Is it God? - doubting him, the northern faction (dervishes) glorify them They make a clamour, a wailing and groaning and howling like mournful dogs And they frequently use the oath By the divorce and reject the ceremony of Allah They have gone astray and make people go astray on earth by land and sea anyone from [among] the Somalis Is it not the owner of reason and understanding deceived by them? Then flee from them as from calamities

—Uways Al Barawi Qasida on Salihiyya

With a long response the Sayyid ended with these sharp words[9]

A word from the backsliding apostates (Qadiriyya)Who have gone astray from the Prophet's way, the straight pathWhy is the truth so plain, hidden from you?

This exchange would lead to takfir or accusations of apostasy from both men and the murder of Uways by the Dervish in 1909. This ironically proved Sheikh Uways' accusation that the Sayyid deemed it lawful to spill the blood of the learned. The Sayyid would mock Sheikh Uways death with a final poem Behold, at last, when we slew the old wizard, the rains began to come!".[10]

The tragic ending of the Uwaysiyya leader was compounded with the death of all but one of his disciples, a person who later carried on the Uwaysiyya legacy. This remaining disciple composed a moving qasida that eventually became a liturgy of the Uwaysiyya order. Uways's house was later bought by Shaykh Sufi and turned into the main headquarters of the Uwaysiyya.

 

[Dima&Damo]

He Made Many Clans Laangabs That's For Sure

 

[Kanan]

I accepted that source as it is neither boastful of party A nor a smear of party B in a time of conflict and is primary.

Also Invasion? Your source says it was sanctioned by Suldaan Yusuf and Boqor Cismaan

The whole book is a collection of bi weekly military reports sent to the British government in London. There is nothing boastful about that. And yes it was an invasion since he was only allowed to graze in Nugaal (present day Sool region) with coordination between Italian & British governments not set up a base, attack and uproot it's population to western Somaliland.

Note my point, The Sayid accepted peace in return he received a base in Nugaal. Is Erdogan a colonial subject of Farmajo look the base has a Somali flag and is under Somali authoritzation

Oh my god Xi Jinping is being colonized by Djibouti they have a flag at their base under DJIBOUTIAN AUTHORIZATION

And my point was other clans also accepted peace and entered into protection agreements with the British. He entered into a protection agreement with the Italians. How can he wage war on something he practice himself?

You're moving the goalpost again.

 

[Jungle]

@Removed is doing south somalis bidding masha allah. It hasn't been unknown to us that the north fully support shabab. The first MP that blew himself up was salaax badbaado 60+ year old from somaliland.

 

[reer]

@Kanan heres the poem
where Sheekh Aweys al Qaadiri stood up to the Mad Mullah and rejected his teachings. He was murdered by Dervishes and was a shahiid AUN theres no difference between Godane and Sayidka atleast be consistent they both justified killing Muslims and
made takfir, they both forcibly married Muslim wives and pillaged villages

Uways recited this poem criticizing the Sayyid[8]

صل على محمد واله واصرف بهم من كل سوء داهيه من اقتدى محمدا بشرعه لا يقتدى جماعة الشيطانية هم المبيحون دماء العلما والمال والحريم هم إباحيه ويمنعون الدرس للعلوم كالفقه والنحو هم الكراميه بكل شيخ مات كالجيلاني لا يتوسلون كالجناحيه لا يقتدرون خلف من له شعر سيماهم التحليق كالوهابيه ويشترون الجنة بمال في دارنا جهرا هم الكلابيه ويختلون بالحريم للإجا زة كأمهم فذا سفاحيه يتبعون رأيهم لا كتبنا ويدعون النور من بلاسيه ويفعلون النكر في ذكرهم فعلا وقولا يقتضي كفرانيه كاللعب قائلين أألله شكا به جلهم الشماليه لهم ضجيج وأنين وحنيــــــــن وفحيح كالكلاب الناحيه ويكثرون الحلف بالطلاق وينكرون الكلفة الالهيه ضلوا وأضلوا العباد في الثرى برا وبحرا اي من السماليه أليس ذو لب وفهم يغترر بهم ففر عنهم كالدواهيه‎

Give a prayer to Muhammad (Sayyid) and his family and turn, through them, from all evil calamities The ones who has immitated Muhammad (Prophet Muhammad) through his law does not follow the faction of Satan They are the justifiers of [spilling] the blood of the ulama and of wealth and women, they are libertines They prohibit the study of sciences such as law and grammar, they are the repugnant Through every Shaykh who has died such as Al-Jilanithey do not seek petition, like the faction of sin They do not follow behind the one who has locks of hair, their characteristic is to wear their hair like the Wahhabiyya They trade paradise for cash publicly, in our land, they are a sect of dogs They dally with women who come for license, like with their own mothers, and this is fornication They follow their own opinions, not our books, and they claim to the light from the faction of Satan And they practice denial at their dhikr, in word and action it requires blasphemy Like their game of saying Is it God? - doubting him, the northern faction (dervishes) glorify them They make a clamour, a wailing and groaning and howling like mournful dogs And they frequently use the oath By the divorce and reject the ceremony of Allah They have gone astray and make people go astray on earth by land and sea anyone from [among] the Somalis Is it not the owner of reason and understanding deceived by them? Then flee from them as from calamities

—Uways Al Barawi Qasida on Salihiyya

With a long response the Sayyid ended with these sharp words[9]


This exchange would lead to takfir or accusations of apostasy from both men and the murder of Uways by the Dervish in 1909. This ironically proved Sheikh Uways' accusation that the Sayyid deemed it lawful to spill the blood of the learned. The Sayyid would mock Sheikh Uways death with a final poem Behold, at last, when we slew the old wizard, the rains began to come!".[10]

The tragic ending of the Uwaysiyya leader was compounded with the death of all but one of his disciples, a person who later carried on the Uwaysiyya legacy. This remaining disciple composed a moving qasida that eventually became a liturgy of the Uwaysiyya order. Uways's house was later bought by Shaykh Sufi and turned into the main headquarters of the Uwaysiyya.

uways albarawi should have kept that energy for the white man bossing his fellow qadiris in barawe ibstead took up arms AGAINST anti guneysi militancy. sayid maxamed was labo xiniinyood. he was ahead of the curve. he hated khat. and hated qadiriya pacifism to ingiriis iyo talyaani. Ilaahow jannada geli biqayri xisaab. somalis dont appreciate their legends.

 

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The whole book is a collection of bi weekly military reports sent to the British government in London. There is nothing boastful about that. And yes it was an invasion since he was only allowed to graze in Nugaal (present day Sool region) with coordination between Italian & British governments not set up a base, attack and uproot it's population to western Somaliland.

War time reports accusing the otherside of atrocities are the most prominent form of propaganda. Most of these originate with locals in the city conjuring horror tales.

And my point was other clans also accepted peace and entered into protection agreements with the British. He entered into a protection agreement with the Italians. How can he wage war on something he practice himself?

You're moving the goalpost again.

No they signed treaties to become dependents the Dervishes who didnt recognize any territory belonging to the Italians recognized their territory with allied clans in exchange theyd be given a base in Nugaal.

Notice the Dervish were not dependents rather they had dependents just like the other governing bodies in the agreement namely Italy and Britain.

 

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@Removed is doing south somalis bidding masha allah. It hasn't been unknown to us that the north fully support shabab. The first MP that blew himself up was salaax badbaado 60+ year old from somaliland.

People in Hargeisa used to say Godane visits semi-regularly and would have kids yearly.

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He says 1.) hes Muslim believes 2.) AS has “religous authority” then goes on to say 3.) he doesnt support AS.

Those three things dont match clearly a closeted sympathizer.

 

[Kanan]

War time reports accusing the otherside of atrocities are the most prominent form of propaganda. Most of these originate with locals in the city conjuring horror tales.

No they signed treaties to become dependents the Dervishes who didnt recognize any territory belonging to the Italians recognized their territory with allied clans in exchange theyd be given a base in Nugaal.

Notice the Dervish were not dependents rather they had dependents just like the other governing bodies in the agreement namely Italy and Britain.

And poems are not propaganda?


For that plot land he still signed a peace agreement with the British and protection agreement with Italian. This means he willingly made an agreement with Gaalo. Wait you think because I didn't respond to your map it was true? He was defeated at Ergo and all his forces sought refugee in Italian Somalia which was at odd with British.


So not only did he lose his land to the British but also signed a peace agreement with them and another protection agreement with Italy. You can't spin this one out.

 

[Kanan]

uways albarawi should have kept that energy for the white man bossing his fellow qadiris in barawe ibstead took up arms AGAINST anti guneysi militancy. sayid maxamed was labo xiniinyood. he was ahead of the curve. he hated khat. and hated qadiriya pacifism to ingiriis iyo talyaani. Ilaahow jannada geli biqayri xisaab. somalis dont appreciate their legends.

That's like saying Farmajo should grow balls and kick out AMISOM/Kenya/ Ethiopia from his country but he's a Pacifier so he deserves to get butchered by Abu Umar.




The mental gymnastics you play on here. Don't cry about Abu Cumar or Godane when you clap for Sayid they're all terrorists.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

What is the difference between Godane and Sayid ? nothing ! they are one and the same, both are tainted with Qabyalad, both were extremist who killed fellow Somalis in mass, both were leaders of armed groups that were not legitimate state actors. @Kanan you make a compelling argument here.

due to one being Ogaden and the other Isaaq, one is a hero and the other devil, thats the inconsistency of the low Iq s.

 

[Kanan]

People in Hargeisa used to say Godane visits semi-regularly and would have kids yearly.

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He says 1.) hes Muslim believes 2.) AS has “religous authority” then goes on to say 3.) he doesnt support AS.

Those three things dont match clearly a closeted sympathizer.

He was in Hargeisa 3 years after bombing the place killing 25 people. His own brother was arrested so it debunks this stupid theory.



Are you mad I called you out on your BS? Reconcilating support for Gaal Kenyan vassal of Jubaland state with celebrating Abdalla Hassan's anti Gaal extremism? Funny thing is Godane whom you cry of is inspired by Abdalla Hassan and the head of your state is a former terrorist himself.

 

[Kanan]

What is the difference between Godane and Sayid ? nothing ! they are one and the same, both are tainted with Qabyalad, both were extremist who killed fellow Somalis in mass, both were leaders of armed groups that were not legitimate state actors. @Kanan you make a compelling argument here.

due to one being Ogaden and the other Isaaq, one is a hero and the other devil, thats the inconsistency of the low Iq s.

I'm Isaaq but I don't support Godane. It's just amazing seeing Somalis glorify a terrorist and crucifying another.

 

[reer]

War time reports accusing the otherside of atrocities are the most prominent form of propaganda. Most of these originate with locals in the city conjuring horror tales.

No they signed treaties to become dependents the Dervishes who didnt recognize any territory belonging to the Italians recognized their territory with allied clans in exchange theyd be given a base in Nugaal.

Notice the Dervish were not dependents rather they had dependents just like the other governing bodies in the agreement namely Italy and Britain.

That's like saying Farmajo should grow balls and kick out AMISOM/Kenya/ Ethiopia from his country but he's a Pacifier so he deserves to get butchered by Abu Umar.




The mental gymnastics you play on here. Don't cry about Abu Cumar or Godane when you clap for Sayid they're all terrorists.

somali heerkan gaadhay ma jirto ilaa maanta. your isaaq tears are irrelevant.

 

[TekNiKo]

uways albarawi should have kept that energy for the white man bossing his fellow qadiris in barawe ibstead took up arms AGAINST anti guneysi militancy. sayid maxamed was labo xiniinyood. he was ahead of the curve. he hated khat. and hated qadiriya pacifism to ingiriis iyo talyaani. Ilaahow jannada geli biqayri xisaab. somalis dont appreciate their legends.

So you justify killing uluma now wow. No wonder AS rule when we have the likes of you

 

[TekNiKo]

What is the difference between Godane and Sayid ? nothing ! they are one and the same, both are tainted with Qabyalad, both were extremist who killed fellow Somalis in mass, both were leaders of armed groups that were not legitimate state actors. @Kanan you make a compelling argument here.

due to one being Ogaden and the other Isaaq, one is a hero and the other devil, thats the inconsistency of the low Iq s.

Yup you nailed it on the head, we gotta label both as terrorist criminals He effectively made his followers langaab Dhulbahante lost Caynabo and other tuulos cause of following him I blame the Kacaan for romanticizing this cruel criminal. When Rer Koshin lost alot of men following this mad man.