Civil war enters second year in Ethiopia

[Abba Sadacha]

ENDF masscred us and the oromos in ENDF were 10 times more than Tigrayans in ENDF.

Yes under Abye he has used Afar militias to destroy vibrant towns and displace thousands.ENDF always sided with Afar militia when Somali forces intervened.
In one black day 400 civilians women and chilren were butchered by Afars while ENDF watched.The Ethiopian govt media condemned Somali state calling them rogue elements supported by AS and Djibouit.The afar militia carrying the masscre were highlighted as civilians.
Each time the Abye regime was asked to arbitrate they sided with Afar.
Infact the ENDF were supplying logistics to Afar militia.

Who led the ENDF? Tigrayan elites and Tigrayan troops. Oromo and other foot soldiers are taking orders, and yes, they are wrong as well and will be held accountable. But we cannot forget who made the calls for them to do those massacres, and whose interests it served-tigrayan elitist interests.

Ogaden/Somali region is not as bad today as it was under tplf's blockade, let's be honest here. it's far from perfect, but somali region maybe the most peaceful place in ethiopia these days.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

You are the dumbest.You took power from TOLF and handed it over to Amhara just less than 2 years in power.Why didnt Oromos hand it to Jawar or OLF?
Somalis biggest enemy are oromos and not even xabashi or afar.

Who is ''we''? you mean, OPDO? that we trusted? yes, we made a mistake, but do not forget that, we had no other viable party or alternative as well. the same way somali's have no alternative to President Mustafa's party, because onlf is for ogadenis, and not for all somali's, whether you like it or not, the issa, the marehan, the garre, the jidwaq, would not like to be dominated by their own ogaden brethren=which is why many have suggested changing ONLF to SNLF.
OLF at that point was too weak, let's be honest.
TPLF also, is dumb, and if you doubt it, look at how they made their own people be surrounded by enemies everywhere.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Who led the ENDF? Tigrayan elites and Tigrayan troops. Oromo and other foot soldiers are taking orders, and yes, they are wrong as well and will be held accountable. But we cannot forget who made the calls for them to do those massacres, and whose interests it served-tigrayan elitist interests.

Ogaden/Somali region is not as bad today as it was under tplf's blockade, let's be honest here. it's far from perfect, but somali region maybe the most peaceful place in ethiopia these days.

The top tier commanders of ENDF were Tigryans with a minority of oromos and amhara.
But majority of the middle tier commanders were oromos and Amhara these were the ones sent to the field.They managed foot soilders that majority were oromo ENDF with other ethnic groups like debub.So actually it was oromos during TPLF that were committing the attrocities.After taking orders.

 

[reer]

Ogaden/Somali region is not as bad today as it was under tplf's blockade, let's be honest here. it's far from perfect, but somali region maybe the most peaceful place in ethiopia these days.

iley >> cagjar. iley would never allow oromo liberation front to be on the doorsteps of dheka and hudet.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Who is ''we''? you mean, OPDO? that we trusted? yes, we made a mistake, but do not forget that, we had no other viable party or alternative as well. the same way somali's have no alternative to President Mustafa's party, because onlf is for ogadenis, and not for all somali's, whether you like it or not, the issa, the marehan, the garre, the jidwaq, would not like to be dominated by their own ogaden brethren=which is why many have suggested changing ONLF to SNLF.
OLF at that point was too weak, let's be honest.
TPLF also, is dumb, and if you doubt it, look at how they made their own people be surrounded by enemies everywhere.

You group Tigrayans together yet want me to not cluster you as a group.
OLF, OPDO, Jawar as same shit different assholes arent they Oromos.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

The top tier commanders of ENDF were Tigryans with a minority of oromos and amhara.
But majority of the middle tier commanders were oromos and Amhara these were the ones sent to the field.They managed foot soilders that majority were oromo ENDF with other ethnic groups like debub.So actually it was oromos during TPLF that were committing the attrocities.After taking orders.

Exactly. So, it was tigrayans calling the shots and giving the orders. soldiers do not act without getting orders from their superiors, no matter how savage and inhumane they may be. I am not trying to shift away blame, because all of them deserve to be held accountable, but by far, the tigrayan elites were in charge, calling the shots, and therefore, deserve to first and foremost, be held to account.
oromo are and were, no more than 1 of every 3 soldiers, so the oromo troops and the amhara, and the tigrayan, etc, all are to blame. just say you hate oromo and are blinded by oromo.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

You group Tigrayans together yet want me to not cluster you as a group.
OLF, OPDO, Jawar as same shit different assholes arent they Oromos.

I am saying tigrayan elites, not tigrayan peasants, if you look @ the posts I made.
even then, it is right, to group them, because unlike tigrayans, oromo's condemn the opdo puppets who were created by who? tigrayans. who armed and trained the opdo? tigrayans. who gave them an advantage over olf? tigrayans.
who used the resources of oromia and other regions, to build tigray up? tigrayan elites.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

iley >> cagjar. iley would never allow oromo liberation front to be on the doorsteps of dheka and hudet.

if illey were better, he would have been smarter, and not sided with tigrayans against oromos. not smart. look where he is now, and where cagjar is now!

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

iley >> cagjar. iley would never allow oromo liberation front to be on the doorsteps of dheka and hudet.

Under Mustafa it seems like the entire Moyale region was awarded to Oromos and yet he is willing to welcome the Oromo president in Jigjiga.
Also when the dry port between Kenya and Ethiopia border was opened Mustafa was not invited.The area where the dry port is situated in Somali kilil.They also told Mustafa not to hold elections in parts of Liban district.wonder why?

 

[Kanyefeast123]

ENDF masscred us and the oromos in ENDF were 10 times more than Tigrayans in ENDF.

Yes under Abye he has used Afar militias to destroy vibrant towns and displace thousands.ENDF always sided with Afar militia when Somali forces intervened.
In one black day 400 civilians women and chilren were butchered by Afars while ENDF watched.The Ethiopian govt media condemned Somali state calling them rogue elements supported by AS and Djibouit.The afar militia carrying the masscre were highlighted as civilians.
Each time the Abye regime was asked to arbitrate they sided with Afar.
Infact the ENDF were supplying logistics to Afar militia.

Both are evil, let us not discuss which one is worse, let us hope that this war will lead Ethiopia to balkanizes

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

I am saying tigrayan elites, not tigrayan peasants, if you look @ the posts I made.
even then, it is right, to group them, because unlike tigrayans, oromo's condemn the opdo puppets who were created by who? tigrayans. who armed and trained the opdo? tigrayans. who gave them an advantage over olf? tigrayans.
who used the resources of oromia and other regions, to build tigray up? tigrayan elites.

So OPDO are peasants? Or OLF leaders are they peasants or was Jawar a peasant?
If you cluster Tigrayans why shouldnt I not do the same with Oromos?
By the way Oromos got better treatment under TPLF than all other previous regimes.You were given some form of autonomy of even using your language to teach your kids or as an Oromo kilil official language can that be said under Mengistu or Haile Selasie?

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Both are evil, let us not discuss which one is worse, let us hope that this war will lead Ethiopia to balkanizes

The west will not allow Ethiopia to balkanise so the bestbsolution will be confederation.Though we dont have people to bring about this.Oromos will change allegiance.
Bakele might become PM and TDF like 1991 might play their games just like they fooled oromos.
As for the Somali Kilil we have Mustafa who beleives in Amhara superiority and dorminance and Abye has been using him to dismantle ONLF which almost become successful.

 

[Kanyefeast123]

The west will not allow Ethiopia to balkanise so the bestbsolution will be confederation.Though we dont have people to bring about this.Oromos will change allegiance.
Bakele might become PM and TDF like 1991 might play their games just like they fooled oromos.
As for the Somali Kilil we have Mustafa who beleives in Amhara superiority and dorminance and Abye has been using him to dismantle ONLF which almost become successful.

What about the Nile conflict between Ethiopia and Egypt? Ethiopia is literally split, no amhara wants tplf rule, same for oromo.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

So OPDO are peasants? Or OLF leaders are they peasants or was Jawar a peasant?
If you cluster Tigrayans why shouldnt I not do the same with Oromos?
By the way Oromos got better treatment under TPLF than all other previous regimes.You were given some form of autonomy of even using your language to teach your kids or as an Oromo kilil official language can that be said under Mengistu or Haile Selasie?

OPDO=Oromo traitors. A party created by the tigrayans to counteract the olf and to control oromia. no, jawar wasn't.
because the situations are different, entirely. one commands huge respect and popularity in their region [tplf], one doesn't [opdo].
one controlled the entire country and looted it dry primarily, [tplf], the other got crumbs [opdo].
one used the resources of oromia to build their own state [tigray], while the other passively and some, angrily watched [opdo].
i can go on and on, to prove my point. all are bad for oromo, but just because one is a smaller devil [tplf], doesn't mean that we should support them. however, in general, oromo and tigrayans do not hate each other, or have the same history that we have with amhara's.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

OPDO=Oromo traitors. A party created by the tigrayans to counteract the olf and to control oromia. no, jawar wasn't.
because the situations are different, entirely. one commands huge respect and popularity in their region [tplf], one doesn't [opdo].
one controlled the entire country and looted it dry primarily, [tplf], the other got crumbs [opdo].
one used the resources of oromia to build their own state [tigray], while the other passively and some, angrily watched [opdo].
i can go on and on, to prove my point. all are bad for oromo, but just because one is a smaller devil [tplf], doesn't mean that we should support them. however, in general, oromo and tigrayans do not hate each other, or have the same history that we have with amhara's.

Isnt Abye former OPDO?
Why did OPDO all over sudden hand over power to Amhara extremists?
Also why did you Oromos allow OPDO to rule you? If you were gettjng rid of TPLF why did you leave OPDO who were their instruments?

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

What about the Nile conflict between Ethiopia and Egypt? Ethiopia is literally split, no amhara wants tplf rule, same for oromo.

Amahara are finished politically unless TDF will revive them in the future.

The Nile conflict Ethiopia has won and Egypt has been defeated.
Oromo are divided and most of their politicians are rotting in prison.
TDF are a necessary evil to cleanse Abye.
Had Abye won the war then genocide would been the norm like 1890s under Menelik.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

Isnt Abye former OPDO?
Why did OPDO all over sudden hand over power to Amhara extremists?
Also why did you Oromos allow OPDO to rule you? If you were gettjng rid of TPLF why did you leave OPDO who were their instruments?

That's what I am saying. Abiy, OPDO, all are traitors to Oromo people. They have harmed Oromo more than they have done to somalis, or anyone else, x100.
I told you, OPDO has always depended on others, for support, to stay in power, because they lack support in Oromia. They want Oromo's to blindly back them, but the truth is, and they know it, the OLF has more legitimacy in Oromia.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

That's what I am saying. Abiy, OPDO, all are traitors to Oromo people. They have harmed Oromo more than they have done to somalis, or anyone else, x100.
I told you, OPDO has always depended on others, for support, to stay in power, because they lack support in Oromia. They want Oromo's to blindly back them, but the truth is, and they know it, the OLF has more legitimacy in Oromia.

But ANDM were not more powerful than OPDO but on equal grounds.
Why did Abye become a dog to Dameka Mackenon and his racist Amhara followers.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

But ANDM were not more powerful than OPDO but on equal grounds.
Why did Abye become a dog to Dameka Mackenon and his racist Amhara followers.

The Amhara elites in EPRDF/PP are what balances out the loss of Oromo support. They need allies from wherever they can get them, and the amhara elites will ally with anyone who helps them suppress the oromo nationalists and the tigrayan nationalists-the two ''traditional threats'' to amhara rule.
abiy wanted ''yes men,'' who help him maintain power, not competition like OLF/TDF/and others,

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

The Amhara elites in EPRDF/PP are what balances out the loss of Oromo support. They need allies from wherever they can get them, and the amhara elites will ally with anyone who helps them suppress the oromo nationalists and the tigrayan nationalists-the two ''traditional threats'' to amhara rule.
abiy wanted ''yes men,'' who help him maintain power, not competition like OLF/TDF/and others,

Abye refused to negotiate with oromos but was willing to be dictated to and be managed by Amharas?
Doesnt make sense.
Oromo opposition demands were lesser as compared to Amhara.
Amhara demanded Abye to invade Tigray.While Oromo opposition didnt support war in Tigray and infact Oromo Opposition compromised alot for the sake of unity and even allowed Abye to run as PMas long as Abye included all Oromo opposition groups.
He jailed and tortured them and yet compromised with extremist amhara groups.
That is why I say you folks need to rebrand Oromuma and expose and kick out the amhara mutants aka sheep in wolf clothing.