Conflict Profile: Lower Shabelle (Somalia's most diverse region)

[Odeg]

How do we stop this, can't we just deport almost all of the oromos? How do we solve this Bantu expansion problem?

We? We have a mooryan HG expansion to stop first. This shifting the blame to oromos and bantus is nice distraction but it has nothing to do with the landgrabbing of HG. This is why I believe we will not be able to share a country. Its not possible.

 

[Starscream]

@Duke of Bohol can you give me a link to the site

 

[Bohol]

@Duke of Bohol can you give me a link to the site

It is 62 pages of political conflicts report in South Somalia published in 2016.

http://theatm.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/CEWERU-FINAL-Report.pdf

 

[XamarCade]

We? We have a mooryan HG expansion to stop first. This shifting the blame to oromos and bantus is nice distraction but it has nothing to do with the landgrabbing of HG. This is why I believe we will not be able to share a country. Its not possible.

Brother there's no more land grabbing, Any Somali should be able to move around within Somalia without any persecution, the land stealing will be dealt with.

 

[Bohol]

Many of you are missing the point the conflict in Lower Shabelle is not only about political representation but farmlands that date
back to hundreds of years ago that belonged to the Biyomaal and Wacdaan communities.



History of Conflict: Lower Shabelle

Conflict in Lower Shabelle can be divided into four categories: socio-economic marginalization, political domination, social atrocities, and land invasion. Political and military control is seen as the surest way of accessing resources in the region. Competition over political and territorial control of the region continues to push weaker clans to the peripheries and has resulted in the militarization of politics in Lower Shabelle. Marginalization has heightened interclan mistrust in the region, which has subsequently hindered the establishment of stable governance structures. In conflict situations, social atrocities, including rape, forced marriages, forced labor, forced taxation, and assassinations, are tools for oppression. In Lower Shabelle, social atrocities are mechanisms by which dominant clans express and maintain their dominance and power over other clans. According to the key informants interviewed, non-armed and minority clan members are often forced to work on farms without pay,and to pay taxes on their properties. There are frequent reports of plans among marginalized groups to retaliate against the dominant clans. Farmland invasion is a complex issue in Lower Shabelle with the potential for fuelling extended periods of conflict in the region. The issue dates back to the nineteenth century when Italian colonizers arrived in the region. According to Biyamal (Dir) and Wacdaan (Hawiye) communities, there was an agreement between the Biyamal and Italian settlers in 1907 where farmland was offered to the Italians to develop banana plantations. The Biyamal and the Wacdaan were to remain shareholders of the plantations and have their land returned when the contract expired after a period of 50 years. After 50 years the agreement was not renewed. Since then, the farmland has changed hands several times but has never been returned to the Biyamal or Wacdaan. In 1969, Siyad Barre’s government nationalized all Italian farmland to be used for government development projects, or to be given to the political elite. Following state collapse in 1991, various clan militias occupied government owned farmland in the region. In 2009 al-Shabaab gained control of all government owned farmland in the region. According to respondents al-Shabaab redistributed some of the land to it’s leaders.

 

[TekNiKo]

We? We have a mooryan HG expansion to stop first. This shifting the blame to oromos and bantus is nice distraction but it has nothing to do with the landgrabbing of HG. This is why I believe we will not be able to share a country. Its not possible.

@Inquisitive_

Wallahi I am disappointed with you, you put your clan's interest above cadaalad and respecting your neighbors.

You know damn well HG are Red Mudug and are from Cadaado, Dhusoomareeb and South Mudug, Xarardheere and some parts of South Galkacyo district.

You have men like Indhocadde and Caato , Caydiid, Ina Caydiid etc robbing land of Marka and Sh/Hoose in general. Where was HG when Biyomaal fought the Italians and bravely defended their land honor and pride. You were not there. You were in Banadiiraalay and the rest of south Mudug

Stop claiming other folks cities

 

[Inquisitive_]

You serious breh Madow cannot withstand a united Rer Sheekhaal forget about the more powerful clans, D and M are the gypsies of Somalia they are known for Tuugsi. Are you high?!

I am talking about post 90's expansion within Somalia, D&M were unknown in Xamar after the civil war but now they have huge numbers there as well as in most gobals, in Gaalkacayo alone a place they were unknown for they number in the 10's of thousands now growing rapidly.

Their colonies have reached as far as Somaliland, both S/land P/land recently deported thousands of them, it's the same story around juba/shabelle were their numbers have increased dramatically, all this why the rest of Somali's were busy killing each other, the majority of the al-shabab foot soldiers around Koonfur are them especially around mudug, they only engage other Somali's not Amisom/Ethiopia

When he you call a beggar rises in number as they already are faster then any other group and begins to gain influence/power (through possibly Ethiopia) game over! they ended up with nothing during kacaan, but in the post civil war they went from minister post, to defacto speaker post, to almost contesting the Presidency itself.

The speaker post is the second most powerful post in the country, and the Ethiopian's have been in Koonfur Galbeed since the 90's, if that doesn't worry you then you are seriously deluded sxb.

 

[TekNiKo]

I am talking about post 90's expansion within Somalia, D&M were unknown in Xamar after the civil war but now they have huge numbers there as well as in most gobals, in Gaalkacayo alone a place they were unknown for they number in the 10's of thousands now growing rapidly.

Their colonies have reached as far as Somaliland, both S/land P/land recently deported thousands of them, it's the same story around juba/shabelle were their numbers have increased dramatically, all this why the rest of Somali's were busy killing each other, the majority of the al-shabab foot soldiers around Koonfur are them especially around mudug, they only engage other Somali's not Amisom/Ethiopia

When he you call a beggar rises in number as they already are faster then any other group and begins to gain influence/power (through possibly Ethiopia) game over! they ended up with nothing during kacaan, but in the post civil war they went from minister post, to defacto speaker post, to almost contesting the Presidency itself.

The speaker post is the second most powerful post in the country, and the Ethiopian's have been in Koonfur Galbeed since the 90's, if that doesn't worry you then you are seriously deluded sxb.

You have a point their numbers have risen dramatically and their political influence has increased but they won't be a threat any time soon.

 

[BigSubeer]

Negros gots to stand up for their rights

 

[Inquisitive_]

@Inquisitive_

Wallahi I am disappointed with you, you put your clan's interest above cadaalad and respecting your neighbors.

You know damn well HG are Red Mudug and are from Cadaado, Dhusoomareeb and South Mudug, Xarardheere and some parts of South Galkacyo district.

You have men like Indhocadde and Caato , Caydiid, Ina Caydiid etc robbing land of Marka and Sh/Hoose in general. Where was HG when Biyomaal fought the Italians and bravely defended their land honor and pride. You were not there. You were in Banadiiraalay and the rest of south Mudug

Stop claiming other folks cities

Clan interest? dude I don't give a shit about this kind of stuff, ship the entire MX community to my neighbourhood I couldn't care one bit if they support Somaliweyne.

The person who is arguing clan here is you sxb because you associate clan with fixed "cities, regions" whereas my position is the land belongs to all Somali's, hence my stance remains the same on Xamar

If I was to apply your same logic that cities/areas belong to specific clan's, then you have no right to argue with @Warsheekh about Xamar, we know whom the indigenous in Xamar are and his accusation that you want to keep what belongs to you and have a share what belongs to others fits you perfectly here.

In fact you are a million times worse then @Warsheekh because at least he is content what he has, whereas you don't and are looking to encroach onto others with your form of logic, this is how conflicts start in Somalia, the definition for this is "xasad"

The argument you and @Odeg or @Prince of Lasanod are making is very similar and rotten to the core, you either take my position that the whole land belongs to Somali's regardless of clan embracing somaliweyn nationalism or take the stance that certain cities/tuulo's belong to certain clan's in which case you guys are no different to guys like @Abdalla or the @Thegoodshepherd that support balkanization along clan lines which is the Xabashi blue print.

 

[Lord Flacko]

I am talking about post 90's expansion within Somalia, D&M were unknown in Xamar after the civil war but now they have huge numbers there as well as in most gobals, in Gaalkacayo alone a place they were unknown for they number in the 10's of thousands now growing rapidly.

Their colonies have reached as far as Somaliland, both S/land P/land recently deported thousands of them, it's the same story around juba/shabelle were their numbers have increased dramatically, all this why the rest of Somali's were busy killing each other, the majority of the al-shabab foot soldiers around Koonfur are them especially around mudug, they only engage other Somali's not Amisom/Ethiopia

When he you call a beggar rises in number as they already are faster then any other group and begins to gain influence/power (through possibly Ethiopia) game over! they ended up with nothing during kacaan, but in the post civil war they went from minister post, to defacto speaker post, to almost contesting the Presidency itself.

The speaker post is the second most powerful post in the country, and the Ethiopian's have been in Koonfur Galbeed since the 90's, if that doesn't worry you then you are seriously deluded sxb.

Jawaari isn't some foreign puppet. He's among one of the few honest Somalis.

 

[Inquisitive_]

How do we stop this, can't we just deport almost all of the oromos? How do we solve this Bantu expansion problem?

To be honest it will be a step in the right direction if they replace us (along with D&M) unless we change drastically as a people, our general population are worse then the leaders that we have, that's the honest truth, we have those so called educated classes on here openly arguing for balkanization, joining Ethiopia etc

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@Prince of Hobyo

The Jury is still out on him, make no mistake him and Sakiin are head/shoulders above the rest when it comes to politics. The perception and Aura he carries is that of someone genuine, but that's only perceptions sxb.

 

[Boqor Geeljire252]

We? We have a mooryan HG expansion to stop first. This shifting the blame to oromos and bantus is nice distraction but it has nothing to do with the landgrabbing of HG. This is why I believe we will not be able to share a country. Its not possible.

sxb no-one is after biyomaal land, cid biyomaal buufow iyo ceel jaale ku haysata ma jirto,
Habar Gidir has enough wealth in South Somalia, we are just defending our farms, houses and businesses.

Biyomaal are not going anywhere and Hawiye are not going anywhere, dadka xumaanta jecel yaan loo sacab tumin.

 

[xisaabiye]

Wait, there's a district called Wanlaweyn??? Wallah you learn something new everyday

Landers call reer Somalia Wanlaweyn because in the 60's there was a vote rigging and that insignificant village received more votes than the entire Waqooyi Galbeed(Hargeysa districts)

 

[DrippinglyWet]

Biyomaal fought for the USC for a while pretty hypocritical for then to use it as a insult, and LS has always been a mixed place Northern part always was Hawiye, Coastal parts where majority Biyomaal and the interior settled by RX/Jeraar farmers of course there where a shit ton of enclaves of the other clans in each other's territory.

 

[TekNiKo]

Clan interest? dude I don't give a shit about this kind of stuff, ship the entire MX community to my neighbourhood I couldn't care one bit if they support Somaliweyne.

The person who is arguing clan here is you sxb because you associate clan with fixed "cities, regions" whereas my position is the land belongs to all Somali's, hence my stance remains the same on Xamar

If I was to apply your same logic that cities/areas belong to specific clan's, then you have no right to argue with @Warsheekh about Xamar, we know whom the indigenous in Xamar are and his accusation that you want to keep what belongs to you and have a share what belongs to others fits you perfectly here.

In fact you are a million times worse then @Warsheekh because at least he is content what he has, whereas you don't and are looking to encroach onto others with your form of logic, this is how conflicts start in Somalia, the definition for this is "xasad"

The argument you and @Odeg or @Prince of Lasanod are making is very similar and rotten to the core, you either take my position that the whole land belongs to Somali's regardless of clan embracing somaliweyn nationalism or take the stance that certain cities/tuulo's belong to certain clan's in which case you guys are no different to guys like @Abdalla or the @Thegoodshepherd that support balkanization along clan lines which is the Xabashi blue print.

We are talking about 90s clan grab, the dream of Somaliweyn lives on and I hope we get to that point but the current toxic environment is focused on qabil a political level. It is so deeply ingrained in you that you attempt to deny clan encroachment done by your tribe.

I never claimed Xamar as my deegaan but all tribes have a right to Xamar because it was a chosen as the capital and all Somalis contributed to her success. Contrary to your belief, I have no xasad and respect my neighbours and don't try to claim their deegan. Do you see me saying Benaadir belongs to Darod? Hell no

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Biyomaal fought for the USC for a while pretty hypocritical for then to use it as a insult, and LS has always been a mixed place Northern part always was Hawiye, Coastal parts where majority Biyomaal and the interior settled by RX/Jeraar farmers of course there where a shit ton of enclaves of the other clans in each other's territory.

Every district outside of Marka is Digil majority. Some hawiye clans are natives there and have lived there for centuries, nobody has any issues with them. The issue is Habar Gidir specifically.

 

[Inquisitive_]

We are talking about 90s clan grab, the dream of Somaliweyn lives on and I hope we get to that point but the current toxic environment is focused on qabil a political level. It is so deeply ingrained in you that you attempt to deny clan encroachment done by your tribe.

I never claimed Xamar as my deegaan but all tribes have a right to Xamar because it was a chosen as the capital and all Somalis contributed to her success. Contrary to your belief, I have no xasad and respect my neighbours and don't try to claim their deegan. Do you see me saying Benaadir belongs to Darod? Hell no

Why is it any of your business to be talking about a place neither you nor you clan lives? What happened to minding your own business? Do you see me talk about the local conflicts in Jubaland between the MX and O.G that have even gone into NFD at a national level now?

If I have an issue with a neighbour of mine, unless you are asked to mediate between us, you have absolutely no business to talk about it, this is the very essence of stoking fitnah why I come after those elites in P/land and their supporters, this is their trade mark.

Stay out of discussions that doesn't concern you, because from your post it's evident that you believe that Somali's should be under clan balkanization whereas I have the opposite view which is that every inch belongs to all Somali's, however in areas of local disputes over land/properties you have nothing to do with, stay out of it and mind your own business.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

Every district outside of Marka is Digil majority. Some hawiye clans are natives there and have lived there for centuries, nobody has any issues with them. The issue is Habar Gidir specifically.

Not that isn't true, Biyomaal is pretty big in LS which one of the reason for the violence as D&M have swallowed up most of the district leadership while not even being close to a majority in LS.
Afgooye district is Hawiye with a hawiye governer. Biyomaal where very politicly active in LS but since the inception of SW raxanwein is absorbing all the political influence .
Their are 7 districts
1 is ruled by biyomaal
1 is ruled by hawiye
Other 5 by RX.
While RX and Biyomaal don't have a large population difference between them they use their power on the state level (SW) to gain these positions.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Not that isn't true, Biyomaal is pretty big in LS which one of the reason for the violence as D&M have swallowed up most of the district leadership while not even being close to a majority in LS.
Afgooye district is Hawiye with a hawiye governer. Biyomaal where very politicly active in LS but since the inception of SW raxanwein is slowly absorbing political influence their.
Their are 7 districts
1 is ruled by biyomaal
1 is ruled by hawiye
Other 5 by RX.
While RX and Biyomaal don't have a large population difference between them.

I can't take anybody who says that Afgooye is Hawiye seriously.

If you were capable of reading, I said that 6/7 of the districts are Digil majority, and biyomaal iyo 12 koofi are the majority in merka.