Construction of Berbera Military base started

[DR OSMAN]

This stuff is kangaroo court nonsense. Anyone can break this and there is nothing this court can do since it lacks the jurisdiction. It's not even a court, its a damn NGO lol. You really think dubai would invest a billion dollar using this legal mechanism as a risk guarantor? you are getting pretty desperate.

 

[Mohsin]

This stuff is kangaroo court nonsense. Anyone can break this and there is nothing this court can do since it lacks the jurisdiction. It's not even a court, its a damn NGO lol. You really think dubai would invest a billion dollar using this legal mechanism as a risk guarantor? you are getting pretty desperate.

True the example Djibouti and DPWORLD and President Gelleh and Abdirahman Boreh, London Court did nothing

 

[DR OSMAN]

Mohsin, you really need to create a strong justice sector within the country, one that is reliable and not a kangaroo court. Not one where the judge can be bribed and take away people's assets unlawfully, one where the law reign supreme. I mean seriously, if somalis are living on looted properties and don't respect each other properties, you really think a foreigner will take that sort of risk and trust Somalis with his property?

But not only do we need a strong judicial system and rule of law. On top of that we need a strong banking sector so that insurance companies can borrow money to insure foreign and local assets. These areas are simply not there in Africa as a whole and to be quite honest there is not much hope for any wide scale sort of investments of billions of dollars.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Mohsin, my hope is the rule of law reigns supreme in Puntland and foreign companies have legal fallback in-case something goes bad in the country such as political stability. Imagine a new govt is elected and a company invested billions of dollars and the new government then kicks them out because it was the previous govt who initiated it and they didn't get their 'bribe' from the company? so what they do is look for another company to do the thing that was agreed with the previous company simply for that bribe money and it generates a vicious cycle where that country's rule of law isn't reliable for any sort of foreign assets.

I hope Puntland addresses this problem, because it benefits no-one over-turning previous administrations deals, it just shows the region isn't politically stable and the rule of law is weak because a president can over-ride it. What's to stop him from over-riding and taking away foreign assets and kicking them out of the country? you see companies perform risk assessments before they dump money into a nation. Somalia is not a country anyone is stupid enough to dump that sort of money in the billions.

 

[Foreman]

it was the somali govt who did the deal, somaliland was only there for 'ceremonial' purposes, everyone knows it was done by sharmarke. Besides that's SFG property, it wasn't exactly built by somaliland. It was given to all somalis under somali name. Anyways like I said I am happy there is going to be a base in somaliland, cause I surely don't want it for my region.

You admit that Somali government and SL have both approved the deal, whats the problem?

oday, commercial dispute resolution? where does this say it's enforceable law? do you know what dispute resolution means? it is just bringing two parties together and mediating between them but nothing is enforceable since they simply have no jurisdiction.

The LCIA is not linked to, or associated with, the government of any jurisdiction. It is a private, not-for-profit company, limited by guarantee and is entirely neutral and independent of any other organisation.

Arbitration and ADR are consensual processes. If one party wishes to refer a dispute to the LCIA, but the other does not, the LCIA has no jurisdiction to determine the dispute.

Point has stressed that both parties resolve any future differences with the LCIA. Djibouti and DP-World had fallout over bribe allegations, Djibouti lost the case and accept final judgment.

https://www.thenational.ae/business...-of-dp-world-in-djibouti-port-dispute-1.38637

 

[felloff]

How is a court in london going to enforce laws outside it's own borders? do they have court officials in somalia? how can any1 deter somalia influence? it was the somali govt who did the deal, somaliland was only there for 'ceremonial' purposes, everyone knows it was done by sharmarke. Besides that's SFG property, it wasn't exactly built by somaliland. It was given to all somalis under somali name. Anyways like I said I am happy there is going to be a base in somaliland, cause I surely don't want it for my region.

it waas built by russian non of the major ports are somali built

 

[DR OSMAN]

it waas built by russian non of the major ports are somali built

It was given to somalia not somaliland, there is no way around it sxb. It's SFG property. It belongs to all somalis. It wasnt given to 'somaliland'

 

[waraabe]

It was given to somalia not somaliland, there is no way around it sxb. It's SFG property. It belongs to all somalis. It wasnt given to 'somaliland'

Go cry somewhere else Punani lander

 

[Lordilord]

With this military base it will be practically impossible for the rest of Somalia to wage war on Somaliland. We might have outdated equipment right now but give it a couple of years because UAE is one of the countries that imports the most weapons.

They wont allow instability in Somaliland so you already know the homie Abdi iyo Farxan will be rolling around in a modernized, beautiful AMX Leclerc Tank around Hargeisa in fabulous manner. SALUTE

 

[Descendent-Of-Fiqi]

Some people in this thread talking about the construction of a Foreign military base like its a good thing, the people building this base only care about their own interests, not those of Somalis.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Some people in this thread talking about the construction of a Foreign military base like its a good thing, the people building this base only care about their own interests, not those of Somalis.

You simply can't cure stupid, it's like administering medicine to the dead !!!

What's funny is they say mogadishu is protected by amisom, yet they are bragging about being protected by arabs.

 

[Malcolm X]

Some people in this thread talking about the construction of a Foreign military base like its a good thing, the people building this base only care about their own interests, not those of Somalis.

Sometimes interests can align.

Djibouti probably wouldn't exist if they didn't have bases by now. Eritrea and Ethiopia would take their land.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Sometimes interests can align.

Djibouti probably wouldn't exist if they didn't have bases by now. Eritrea and Ethiopia would take their land.

You cant take someone land, there is international law and borders. What are u smoking!!!

 

[Malcolm X]

You cant take someone land, there is international law and borders. What are u smoking!!!

It's called war sxb

Ethiopia have been dying for an access to the sea. Without the military bases, Ethiopia would have declared a war on Djibouti.

Eritrea is claiming a land in west Djibouti. They will take it if the bases didn't exist.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Malcolm, what is the point of borders if countries can just take them? why didnt america just take iraq it needs access to oil? there is international law and borders for a reason without it it would send the world into chaos if borders are not respected, every nation could lose it's land. In war u need a reason to go to war and Djibouti is not a military/political/economic threat to Ethiopia, there would be no justification grounds for it. Look at how much america had to prove justification for Iraq war before it entered and their not even stealing land just replacing the regime.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Malcolm, learn a bit on politics. Noone goes to war because you need to fund it. Oil, soldiers, salaries, equipments, medics. It sends countries into an economic depression, even large countries let alone poor countries like ethiopia. What people nowadays do is, is support political leaders in favor of their countries and they fund them. Far easier and effective then a costly war with bad public image, breaking international law which would mean your trade partners would stop trading with u, your economy would tank. UN would slap sanctions on you for breaching their charter. The AU would also. Dont you see the political/economic/security disaster from going to war? besides how long you going to keep a land with a gun? what happens if your weapon supply is cut? its over for you.

 

[Malcolm X]

Malcolm, what is the point of borders if countries can just take them? why didnt america just take iraq it needs access to oil? there is international law and borders for a reason without it it would send the world into chaos if borders are not respected, every nation could lose it's land. In war u need a reason to go to war and Djibouti is not a military/political/economic threat to Ethiopia, there would be no justification grounds for it. Look at how much america had to prove justification for Iraq war before it entered and their not even stealing land just replacing the regime.

Not many nations want to go war not because they respect the borders but because they don't want the war. They don't think its worth wasting money for small gains.

For Ethiopia, an access to sea is a massive benefit. To them, it is absolutely worth going to the war for, no matter what reasons are. I have no idea about Eritrea's reasons for wanting to take Djibouti's land.

Ethiopia tried to take Eritrea in 1998 and that war ended only 17 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrean–Ethiopian_War

Eritrea tried to take Djibouti in 2008: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djiboutian–Eritrean_border_conflict

The only reason they got beaten is because the French helped them. Djibouti is too weak to stand on their own.

 

[Malcolm X]

Malcolm, learn a bit on politics. Noone goes to war because you need to fund it. Oil, soldiers, salaries, equipments, medics. It sends countries into an economic depression, even large countries let alone poor countries like ethiopia. What people nowadays do is, is support political leaders in favor of their countries and they fund them. Far easier and effective then a costly war with bad public image, breaking international law which would mean your trade partners would stop trading with u, your economy would tank. UN would slap sanctions on you for breaching their charter. The AU would also. Dont you see the political/economic/security disaster from going to war? besides how long you going to keep a land with a gun? what happens if your weapon supply is cut? its over for you.

Sanctions, etc are only temporary.

There will be always somebody to ignore the sanctions. Do you realise how much Ethiopia stands to make money if it had an access to the sea? They have been waiting for that access for ages. They would absolutely bear the depression and sanctions for 10 years or so to just have an access to the sea forever.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Malcolm. They use as a last resort to change regimes, not take land. What are you talking about sxb? no country can take someone else land, there is international law and borders that all members have to sign and respect. If they don't all those nations in the UN must deal with the violator. You attack a country politically first and if that's not possible you resort to war and only then it's to change the regime or leadership. When war happens, it's only about who is going to lead that country and they fight to get someone that is preferrable to their interest.

You have a 1500s sort of mentality sxb, not modern day politics. The game has changed from centuries ago, its not genghis era where there was no international law.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Malcolm. They use war as a last resort to change regimes, not take land. What are you talking about sxb? no country can take someone else land, there is international law and borders that all members have to sign and respect. If they don't all those nations in the UN must deal with the violator. You attack a country politically first and if that's not possible you resort to war and only then it's to change the regime or leadership. When war happens, it's only about who is going to lead that country and they fight to get someone that is preferrable to their interest.

You have a 1500s sort of mentality sxb, not modern day politics. The game has changed from centuries ago, its not genghis era where there was no international law.