Cushites ruled the known world...

[Apollo]

These are natives of Hadhramaut region. Clearly have Horner types amongst them:

I'm 100% certain that if a representative DNA sample was taken, they would have huge amounts of Cushitic affinities.

No genetic evidence whatsoever for those claims.

They are dark Semites with minor Bantu admixture. Their SSA is East Bantu from the Swahili coast and since it is not homogeneously spread out through the entire population it suggests recent mixing with slaves from Zanzibar.

^ The two in green is what prehistoric South Arabians were like. Before Bantu, Indian, and Indonesian admixture.

 

[Cauli]

No genetic evidence whatsoever for it.

They are dark Semites with minor Bantu admixture. Their only African is Bantu.

Most of the Yemeni samples taken were not from Hadhramaut, but from San'aa and Tihama Regions. Let us wait until a selective sample is taken from the Hadhramaut Region (the Horner prototype Region in Arabia). Its too early.

Add on top of that the Cushitic substratum in those languages couldn't have come from nowhere. Thats impossible.

 

[Apollo]

Most of the Yemeni samples taken were not from Hadhramaut, but from San'aa and Tihama Regions. Let us wait until a selective sample is taken from the Hadhramaut Region (the Horner prototype Region in Arabia). Its too early.

Add on top of that the Cushitic substratum in those languages couldn't have come from nowhere. Thats impossible.

Those are all Mahra samples..

Yemenis from the West-Central Yemeni highlands are more like Ancient Yemenis as they have less Swahili admixture than the Mahras.

These samples are all on GedMatch.

There is no Cushitic genetic substratum in Yemen. Besides relatively recent Abyssinian admixture circa 500 CE.

 

[Cauli]

Those are all Mahra samples..

Yemenis from the West-Central Yemeni highlands are more like Ancient Yemenis as they have less Swahili admixture than the Mahras.

These samples are all on GedMatch.

There is no Cushitic genetic substratum in Yemen. Besides relatively recent Abyssinian admixture circa 500 CE.

I was talking about the languages. You cannot deny there is significant Cushitic substratum in more than one language in Southern Arabia.

 

[Apollo]

I was talking about the languages. You cannot deny there is significant Cushitic substratum in more than one language in Southern Arabia.

There is a massive Arabic substratum in Af-Somali, yet very little real Arabian blood in Somalis.. Sometimes words get exchanged without involving wasmo @CaliTedesse

Also, have you heard of this concept: Sprachbund

A sprachbund – also known as a linguistic area, area of linguistic convergence, diffusion area or language crossroads – is a group of languages that have common features resulting from geographical proximity and language contact. They may be genetically unrelated, or only distantly related. Where genetic affiliations are unclear, the sprachbund characteristics might give a false appearance of relatedness. Areal features are common features of a group of languages in a sprachbund.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprachbund

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Colonial historian:
“It will be remembered that in the preceding book, on Phoenicia, we proved from the Phoenician traditions collected by the writers of classical antiquity, that the primitive country of the Cannaanitish tribes was in this part of Arabia, which they left about 2000 B.C., for Syria.” Francois Lenormant, 1871, Medes and Persians, Phoenicians and Arabians, p. 286.

According to many colonial writers, canaan was identifiable with the kanawna valley just south of mecca in the hijaz region, and certainly not in the levant.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

This is josephus' explanation for how the cushites and berbers came to occupy east africa and libya respectively. This is also found in the bible.
“Abraham after this married Keturah with whom 6 sons were born to him…. Now the sons of Sous were Sabathan and Dedan. The sons of Dedan were Latusim, and Asur, and Lehum. The sons of Madian were, Ephas, and Aphran, and Anoch, and Abidas, and Eldas. Now for all these sons and grandsons Abraham contrived to settle them in colonies; and they took possession of Troglodytes, and the country of Arabia the Happy, as far as it reaches to the Red Sea. It is related of this Aphran that he made war against Libya, and took it, and that his grandchildren, when they inhabited it, called it from his name Africa.” (Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus, from the chapter entitled - “How the Nation of the Troglodytes were Derived from Abraham by Keturah”

Dana marniche-
"Our exploration starts with Josephus who following the Hebrew writings tells us that in his time the descendants of Keturah or Qeturah coming from southern Arabia had settled the area of the “troglodytes” in the Horn of Africa, which in Josephus' era was also considered part of "Arabia".
John Murray states the following.

“Josephus ('A.J.' i. 15) tells us that the descendants of Keturah occupied the Troglodyte country and Arabia Felix, which statement is repeated by Jerome ('Qu. Heb. in Gen.').” The Holy Bible according to the authorized version(A.D.1611) published 1872.

John murray is a white colonial historian

It is interesting to note that east africa was by greeks called arabia(anything east of the nile) and india minor. Arabia was also called ethiopia and india. India itself was called eastern ethiopia or straight-haired Aethiopians. These regions were by the greeks considered a racial continuation. I shall provide the sources duly.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

"According to Pliny, Pomponius Mela, and Salluste, they had come “with Hercules” or Herakles from the East. The roots of this story are founded on the fact that a large part of the Horn of Africa as well as most of southern Arabia was considered a major part of "India". Josephus in fact spoke similarly about a connection between the peoples of Afra or Aphran and Hercules in chapter 15 of his Antiquities entitled, “Of the Nation of the Troglodytes, Who were Derived from Abraham and Keturah”.
He wrote in that chapter - "Cleodomus the prophet... who wrote a history of the Jews in agreement with the history of Moses their legislator relates, there were many sons born to Abraham and Keturah who he names Apher and Surim and Japhran. From Surim was the land of Assyria denominated and that from the other two Apher and Japhran, the country of Africa took its name, because these men were auxiliaries to Hercules when he fought against Libya and Antaeus. And that Hercules married Aphra's daughter, and of her he begat a son Didorus..."

We are familiar with Hercules the greek legend

But in the greek's defence they never claim he was grecian. Infact greek histories constantly admit that it was from the egyptians and phoenicians that they adopted their deities. This is not up for debate

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Canaanites-Phoenicians-berbers-carthageans
These are all intertwined
Carthage of north africa was a colony of the phoenicians, this is a known fact

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Carthage

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Theres this all together fascinating figure in arab history books and tafsirs. His name is Muzaikiya and his wife is zarifeh. He led his sabean Azd countrymen from the inundations of the dam of Aram(saylal 'arim).This inundation is recorded in the glorious quran as well. After escaping the dam he went north with his people and settled at a pool called Ghassan. From thence the sabean Azd Yemenites of the tutelage of Amr Muzaikiya took the name Ghassan. They broke into four groups. Azd shanuah who settled in the Asir region of alshahra.(theres a hadith that compares moses' blackness as if he was the people of Azd Shanuah.This is them) the second are the Aus and khazraj(Ansar)who went north and settled in Yathrib(Madina). The third are the Banu Jufnah who went all the way north and settled in Sham(they kept the name of Ghassan alive). The fourth are the Azd oman who evidently settled in oman. This is known as the great Azd migration.

Bare in mind these are the same akhdar Ghassanids who Al-Jahiz remarked of their exceeding khudra(blackness).
Let me not digress.

Does this story of this Arabian Yemenite Sabean Amr Muzaikiya and his wife Zarifeh and the flood of Ma'rib not remind you of anything?
@Samaalic Era
@pablo
@CaliTedesse
@Timo Madow and proud

 

[Samaalic Era]

Theres this all together fascinating figure in arab history books and tafsirs. His name is Muzaikiya and his wife is zarifeh. He led his sabean Azd countrymen from the inundations of the dam of Aram(saylal 'arim).This inundation is recorded in the glorious quran as well. After escaping the dam he went north with his people and settled at a pool called Ghassan. From thence the sabean Azd Yemenites of the tutelage of Amr Muzaikiya took the name Ghassan. They broke into four groups. Azd shanuah who settled in the Asir region of alshahra.(theres a hadith that compares moses' blackness as if he was the people of Azd Shanuah.This is them) the second are the Aus and khazraj(Ansar)who went north and settled in Yathrib(Madina). The third are the Banu Jufnah who went all the way north and settled in Sham(they kept the name of Ghassan alive). The fourth are the Azd oman who evidently settled in oman. This is known as the great Azd migration.

Bare in mind these are the same akhdar Ghassanids who Al-Jahiz remarked of their exceeding khudra(blackness).
Let me not digress.

Does this story of this Arabian Yemenite Sabean Amr Muzaikiya and his wife Zarifeh and the flood of Ma'rib not remind you of anything?
@Samaalic Era
@pablo
@CaliTedesse
@Timo Madow and proud

I heard the hadith where the Prophet pbuh said Musa pbuh resembles the men of Shanuah.

Could you elaborate more on this sxb. Somalis are not descendants of Ibrahim pbuh but Nuh pbuh

 

[Cam]

Not the same cushites. We never called ourselves cushites cadaans forced it on us. these are ancient extinct people

 

[Samaalic Era]

Not the same cushites. We never called ourselves cushites cadaans forced it on us. these are ancient extinct people

One term that existed before we were Somalis is the word Xashiyah, a reference to Xashi who is a distant ancestor of Samaale

 

[Cam]

One term that existed before we were Somalis is the word Xashiyah, a reference to Xashi who is a distant ancestor of Samaale

who is xaashi? ham? do you have any sources for this? it is very interesting.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

I heard the hadith where the Prophet pbuh said Musa pbuh resembles the men of Shanuah.

Could you elaborate more on this sxb. Somalis are not descendants of Ibrahim pbuh but Nuh pbuh

I shall gladly elaborate, brother. Theres much to be shared and discussed. Horn-africans are styled sabeans by some colonials, cushites, hamites, abrahamites by josephus. All varying and ranging.
But whats interesting is that abrahamites( isrealites-ishmailites) are in ancient arab sources completely absent and are given joktan/qahtanite lineages.

For example the sons of abraham by hagar, listed in the bible(the ones from earlier whom cushites and berbers are descended according to josephus) are in arab traditions descended from qahtan. I shall most definitely share the sources.
Im not saying either this or that, im simply sharing these peculiar contradictions.

 

[Samaalic Era]

who is xaashi? ham? do you have any sources for this? it is very interesting.

A collection of oral traditions. They go like this

Nuxayeh
Xashi
Samaale
The thing is, between each one, they is a massive gap between them. For example, figures like Xashi probably lived between 1700-1400 BC while Samaale mostly likely lived in 1000 BC.

The current clans like Hawiye Dir Darood Isaaq Raxanwayn etr are from 100-400 AD and distant descendants of Samaale and Saabe(Raxanwayn).

Somalis were divided in 9 Tribes that resided in the Kingdom of Punt, until its collaspe and Somalis then went their way.

There are errors in Oral narrations but you can tell the ones that are false.

 

[Cam]

A collection of oral traditions. They go like this

Nuxayeh
Xashi
Samaale
The thing is, between each one, they is a massive gap between them. For example, figures like Xashi probably lived between 1700-1400 BC while Samaale mostly likely lived in 1000 BC.

The current clans like Hawiye Dir Darood Isaaq Raxanwayn etr are from 100-400 AD and distant descendants of Samaale and Saabe(Raxanwayn).

Somalis were divided in 9 Tribes that resided in the Kingdom of Punt, until its collaspe and Somalis then went their way.

There are errors in Oral narrations but you can tell the ones that are false.

Nux-> Ham-> Samaale? Yh lots of generations are missing. Where is Kooshin (Cush)?

 

[Samaalic Era]

Nux-> Ham-> Samaale? Yh lots of generations are missing. Where is Kooshin (Cush)?

The Kooshin one are a recent add into the abtirsi but the inconsistency can be noticed. The real Oral traditions do not mention Cush.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

More about the Sabean leader of the Azd Amr Musaikiya-

The tradition of Azd dispersal from the Yemen is recorded by many writers, including Sa’id of Andalusia who wrote that Azd was -
“a name borne by the most important section of the people who inhabited the country of Saba and its capital Ma'rib, at the time of the rupture of the dyke of 'Arim and of the ruin to which that portion of Yaman was in consequence reduced. All but a small section of the Azdites abandoned the country. The chief body went to the Tihamah of Yaman, inhabited by the tribes of 'Akk and Ash'ar. Here they settled in the neighbourhood of a pool named Ghassan, situated between the rivers Zabid and Rima. After a lengthened stay, dissensions with the original occupants of the country compelled the Azdites to depart. A portion of the tribe established itself in Najran, in the neighbourhood of the Madhhijites who had long occupied and ruled the country”

 

[Samaalic Era]

@Cam
Ancient Somalis had a similar tribal structure to the Israelites. The Israelites were divided into 12 tribes and Somalis into 9 tribes. These nine are known as Sagaalka Samaale.

Also, the people Somalis claimed were the rendile, not the amhara although there is undeniable blood relation between us.

The Rendile trace descent from Maqarre Samaale. The linguistic similarity between our languages are futher proof. The Oral account claims that they apostated from Islam but that is not complete truth.
The Rendile apostated from the old Noahic religion of Somalis. Abroone, the grandfather, in one account re discovered Tawheed of Nuh pbuh through some scrolls and re-established Tawheed