Debunking that Yusuf bin Ahmad al-Kawneyn brought Islam in the Maldives

[killerxsmoke]

Somalis are the only ones with history on that island. I watched a tiktok like a year ago where a maldivean said in history class they are taught SOMALIS brought Islam to them. Also maldvies is Shafi Islam, Morocco is Hanbali and they have ZERO influence in the Indian ocean and have nothing to do with the Maldives. Iran is Shia, Maldives doesn’t even let you have citizenship if you aren’t Sunni Muslim. Berberi’s other name is “Aw Barkhadle”, that man is 100% somali. I read up on him before and he is from Zeila, I don’t remember what his clan was exactly but he was a northerner. I think Dir, I need to double check.

Stop trying to discredit somalis you langaab.

and i have also seen Maldivian claiming that Yusuf is from Iran

so why dont just debunk the evidence i showed you, i made this thread yesterday and not one person tried to debunk me with the evidence that i showed. like there is legit 2 tombs of this guy and yet you guys still believe he is somali.

in this forum i am not known for discrediting somalis, u can ask @Hamzza how many times we were in debates in somali history. this guy called yusuf tabrizi aint a somali and thats final

 

[Gareeys]

Just because they are Shafii does not mean that it was the Somali that introduced Islam to them. It is more likely that it was yemeni traders from Hadramaut and other southern regions, with whom the Maldives used to trade for thousands of years, introduced Shafii Islam to them the same way they did to Somalia. Also the idea that somehow one man introduced a for them foreign religion like Islam to the Islands, converted their king and thats how the country became islamic is not plausible. It is more likely that as more and more traders visited the Islands it was probably the merchants and elites that first converted to the new religion and then in the 12th century after a gradual Islamization process a sizeable percentage of the population already was muslim and with that the buddhist king accepted Islam.

True, even in Somalia ppl think it was just the Arabs that brought Islam when the Uzbeks and Persians also brought it.

 

[anon2]

True, even in Somalia ppl think it was just the Arabs that brought Islam when the Uzbeks and Persians also brought it.

Northern Somalis became Muslim before a lot of arab tribes, and way before Uzbeks and Persians

 

[niggaibnh]

and i have also seen Maldivian claiming that Yusuf is from Iran

so why dont just debunk the evidence i showed you, i made this thread yesterday and not one person tried to debunk me with the evidence that i showed. like there is legit 2 tombs of this guy and yet you guys still believe he is somali.

in this forum i am not known for discrediting somalis, u can ask @Hamzza how many times we were in debates in somali history. this guy called yusuf tabrizi aint a somali and thats final

" can ask Hamzza "

 

[Mount23]

True, even in Somalia ppl think it was just the Arabs that brought Islam when the Uzbeks and Persians also brought it.

Langaab Uzbeks brought Islam to Somalia gtfo

Islam came here way before that, Uzbeks didnt bring shit, those guys became Muslims during the Mongols

 

[Gareeys]

Langaab Uzbeks brought Islam to Somalia gtfoView attachment 240830


Islam came here way before that, Uzbeks didnt bring shit, those guys became Muslims during the Mongols

I didn’t say they solely brought Islam. I was agreeing with his statement that said 1 person was not solely responsible for converting the Maldives. their people were merchants and Islam was brought by merchants of various backgrounds in Somalia. They brought alot of the silk and the pattern we wear. Don’t play urself al bukhari hailed from Uzbekistan, & no one you follow could hold a candle to him since you wanna get hype.

 

[Gareeys]

Northern Somalis became Muslim before a lot of arab tribes, and way before Uzbeks and Persians

Didn’t mean all but I was thinking of the south more so Bc of trade tbh. Persians we’re Muslim around 633, idk how close the timeline is tho bc islam entered Eritrea during the first hijra.

 

[Journey.]

Langaab Uzbeks brought Islam to Somalia gtfoView attachment 240830


Islam came here way before that, Uzbeks didnt bring shit, those guys became Muslims during the Mongols

They're not langaab, major scholars hailed from there like Imam Al-Bukhaari and Imam At-Tirmidhi.

 

[Hamzza]

Northern Somalis became Muslim before a lot of arab tribes, and way before Uzbeks and Persians

How can you say that?

 

[Hamzza]

islam entered Eritrea during the first hijra.

Muslims arrived Eritrea in the first hijra; Islam only entered Eritrea much later.

 

[NinkiYar]

You’re right. Wrong one, still not shafi.

Iran was shaafi before the Shia took over

 

[Gareeys]

Muslims arrived Eritrea in the first hijra; Islam only entered Eritrea much later.

Idk about that, I know certain tribes in Eritrea like the Beni Amir have been Muslim for a very long time but I could be wrong.

 

[killerxsmoke]

so as many of you know Yusuf bin Ahmad al-Kawneyn is known for bringing Islam to Maldives in Somali history, but it looks like they aren't the same person. both Moroccans and Somalis both claim him, but it looks like Yusuf isn't from either of their countries but he is from none other than Iran. let me show you some evidence:

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as you can see here, it looks like ibn Battuta lied. the guy is known for lying sometimes in his travels this isn't really surprising.


now here below is the evidence that he is from Iran


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Yusuf bin Ahmad al-Kawneyn was never ever called tabrizi.

if you guys want more evidence look right here

this is the grave of yusuf tabrizi

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and this is Yusuf bin Ahmad al-Kawneyn grave, they are 2 diffrent people


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i hope this thread can stop people claiming Yusuf bin Ahmad al-Kawneyn for bringing islam to maldives when he didnt

@Garaad diinle what's ur opinion on this?

 

[Garaad diinle]

@Garaad diinle what's ur opinion on this?

Spot on walaal. I myself i'm guilty of thinking that it was yusif barkhadle and didn't bother reading to confirm that. It's not that ibn battuta lied rather he miss read the arabic writing. One can easily confuse al-barbari and al-tabarizi, the reason being the very bad writing style.

Here is where it says yusif al-tabarizi

Here is a close up.

If it's still hard to read here is another source the difference being that it's much clearer.

 

[killerxsmoke]

Spot on walaal. I myself i'm guilty of thinking that it was yusif barkhadle and didn't bother reading to confirm that. It's not that ibn battuta lied rather he miss read the arabic writing. One can easily confuse al-barbari and al-tabarizi, the reason being the very bad writing style.

Here is where it says yusif al-tabarizi

Here is a close up.

If it's still hard to read here is another source the difference being that it's much clearer.

Yes, Yusuf was known for completely something else but when ibn Battuta work was translated that's when people be saying that he brought islam to maldives and sri lanka in which he didnt

 

[Garaad diinle]

Yes, Yusuf was known for completely something else but when ibn Battuta work was translated that's when people be saying that he brought islam to maldives and sri lanka in which he didnt

It's all misconception propagated by the book of ibn battuta. The funny thing is he could've easily ask the writer who wrote it in the first place since the work was finished around the time he arrived on the island but he stubbornly insisted on reading the text and he read it in a wrong way. It's sad that many somalis still believe that he was somali and probably will never change their mind.

 

[killerxsmoke]

It's all misconception propagated by the book of ibn battuta. The funny thing is he could've easily ask the writer who wrote it in the first place since the work was finished around the time he arrived on the island but he stubbornly insisted on reading the text and he read it in a wrong way.

This is a great example to not take historic travelers at face value

 

[Al hashimi]

This is a great example to not take historic travelers at face value

maybe the person who wrote it made a mistake

 

[Al hashimi]

Persian theory[edit]​

Another interpretation, in the Raadavalhi and Taarikh,[11][12] is that Abu al-Barakat Yusuf al-Barbari was Abu al-Barakat Yusuf Shams ud-Din at-Tabrizi, also locally known as Tabrīzugefānu. In the Arabic script the words al-Barbari and al-Tabrizi are very much alike, owing to the fact that at the time, Arabic had several consonants that looked identical and could only be differentiated by overall context (this has since changed by addition of dots above or below letters to clarify pronunciation – For example, the letter "ب" in modern Arabic has a dot below, whereas the letter "ت" looks identical except there are two dots above it). "ٮوسڡ الٮٮرٮرى" could be read as "Yusuf at-Tabrizi" or "Yusuf al-Barbari".

 

[Al hashimi]

A plaque in Hukuru Mosque, Malé, Maldives, placed by Sultan Ibrahim Iskandhar on which Abu al-Barakat Yusuf al-Barbari's name is written. His name is also read as "Yusuf at-Tabrizi" instead of "Yusuf al-Barbari".