Deni: “Somalia‘s army is non existent, rather clan militias working for their own interests”

[Temp]

Gaas offered multiple times to send PL soldiers to xamar to create a real army, but the clowns in Villa xamar refused as they prefer to loot security assistance meant for the whole country and refuse to have a truly representative army.

A representative army wont just be operating in the south, they'd also need to be present in Puntland, are you okay with that?

 

[Genesis]

Building a diverse SNA is not as easy as some of you think
Do you think its as easy as that? calling people together and deciding?

Obviously not, but if he was serious about it, Deni would have gotten the ball rolling by trying to discuss building an SNA with personnel from across the country. He has enough clout to open discussions with the FGS.

He didn't and simply criticized a problem that he's a part of, so I ask, what was the point of this?

 

[Farm]

A representative army wont just be operating in the south, they'd also need to be present in Puntland, are you okay with that?

Each region should have their own army that operates within their state to maintain security, while the diverse SNA should incorporate all clans and be used for only external defence or against threats such as Al Shabab.

 

[Temp]

Obviously not, but if he was serious about it, Deni would have gotten the ball rolling by trying to discuss building an SNA with personnel from across the country. He has enough clout to open discussions with the FGS.

He didn't and simply criticized a problem that he's a part of, so I ask, what was the point of this?

Puntland is already involved in the process of unifying the nationa army, but its still a process that takes time and has been affected by incompetence and other issues. Some of the regions are not as cooperative as they should be because their concerned about loosing authority and I dont blame them.
The building of the SNA also has be be accompanied but effective and responsible governance. Its not just a matter of the army taking over different parts of the country, they also need to be able to run them well and safely replace the local admins through political agreements and engagement.
What Farmaajo did since he came to power is create mistrust and set the whole process back by abusing his power, the little power he has

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Because Puntland is one big centralized MJ tribal state. He is literally the leader of one of the biggest clan enclaves in Somalia, he's part of the problem he's describing, yet, he frames it as if he has nothing to do with it!

If he wanted to change this, call the leaders of Somalia, and build a diverse SNA, if not, then why come out with this nonsense?

Not true, no one is stopping FGS somalia creating an all inclusive federal army from all regions

Sxb the federalism ship has long sailed and gone. See this is the problem with you folks. You're not honest people.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Building a diverse SNA is not as easy as some of you think
Do you think its as easy as that? calling people together and deciding?

No one is saying its an easy process. Heck, we dont even have a permanent dastuur forget about anything else.

 

[Temp]

Each region should have their own army that operates within their state to maintain security, while the diverse SNA should incorporate all clans and be used for only external defence or against threats such as Al Shabab.

Exactly, that's what I thought, changing your tune right now after understanding that Puntland would also have to have the troops on its soil.
So, I hope I wont be seeing you complain about the lack of diversity in the Somali army as something thats setting it back. It cant be solved because everybody thinks the same way you do, their concerned about having other qabils on their soil.

Somalia's challenge today is not coming external sources, its an internal security issue. The borders are for another time.

 

[Farm]

No one is saying its an easy process. Heck, we dont even have a permanent dastuur forget about anything else.

The building of the SNA is the sole responsibility of the federal government.

Blaming PL makes no sense.

 

[Temp]

No one is saying its an easy process. Heck, we dont even have a permanent dastuur forget about anything else.

Precisely

Thats why am always surprised to see people here overs implying things. Its good to be hopeful, but you also need to appreciate the magnitude of the problem.

 

[Farm]

Exactly, that's what I thought, changing your tune right now after understanding that Puntland would also have to have the troops on its soil.
So, I hope I wont be seeing you complain about the lack of diversity in the Somali army as something thats setting it back. It cant be solved because everybody thinks the same way you do, their concerned about having other qabils on their soil.

Somalia's challenge today is not coming external sources, its an internal security issue. The borders are for another time.

Are you daft? I clearly said the army should be able to operate wherever there is Al Shabab or an external threat.Each state should be responsible for maintaining their own security however and have a national guard like US states do for non terroristic or external threats.

 

[Temp]

The building of the SNA is the sole responsibility of the federal government.

Blaming PL makes no sense.

Putland will be blameworthy if its not cooperating. Not saying its not.

 

[EDsomali]

Everyone knows this even the EU and US funding the Army knows this.

All they care about is Al-Shabaab going as clan militias are better than Al-Shabaab.

 

[Temp]

Are you daft? I clearly said the army should be able to operate wherever there is Al Shabab or an external threat.Each state should be responsible for maintaining their own security and have a national guard like US states do for non terroristic or external threats.

Even if there is an Al-shabab threat, only the army thats the same qabill as them is going to fight them depending on the region their fighting in.

 

[Shmurda]

Putland will be blameworthy if its not cooperating. Not saying its not.

We have sent soldiers to xamar so they could be incorporated into SNA and help fight alshabaab but you guys didn't do much with that

 

[Manafesto]

We have sent soldiers to xamar so they could be incorporated into SNA and help fight alshabaab but you guys didn't do much with that

They have 20k SNA troops and another 20k Amison troops,instead of fighting against 3k AS troops they are out there in Gedo scoring tribal beefs against OGs, this is one of the reasons SNA is considered a tribal militia and not a national army.

 

[Gambar]

Long live Puntland!

 

[Adaawe]

majeerteen always been more gob than your booli qaran igu shub ass

Now now my victim. Don't make me bust out the memes. You know I'm not the one to fkd with.

 

[Genesis]

Not true, no one is stopping FGS somalia creating an all inclusive federal army from all regions

Sxb the federalism ship has long sailed and gone. See this is the problem with you folks. You're not honest people.

Come sxb, let's have an open dialogue on this, I swear I harbor no biases towards anyone, I'm just trying to be realistic about Somalia as a whole

In the political landscape of Somalia, federalism only venerates clan identity and strengths nepotism. Each state having their armies would embolden them to undermine the Government for their own interest, GM, HS, SWS, JL, PL having their own agendas only weakens Somalia as a whole.

Federalism works for Puntland due to favorable clan demographics, but to the rest of the states, it is a complete disaster, the south is a melting pot, there are too many powerful clans vying of supremacy.

The federal states cannot develop fast enough, 3/5 are flat out broke, and the extremely modest budgets for the rest of the states are supported by resources inherited from the prior Somali state, such as the port of Bossaso for Puntland which was built in the '80s....under a centralized state.

Puntland is only against centralized rule as being directly ruled from Xamar gives Hawiye a political advantage over everyone else, they don't dislike the system at all but just where it's being applied from, which is a very understandable concern, but let's not pretend this current federalism is the solution because it is absolutely NOT.

If you can accept this, I would be happy to discuss ways to circumvent this.

 

[Temp]

Come sxb, let's have an open dialogue on this, I swear I harbor biases towards anyone, I'm just trying to be realistic about Somalia as a whole

In the political landscape of Somalia, federalism only venerates clan identity and strengths nepotism. Each state having their armies would embolden them to undermine the Government for their own interest, GM, HS, SWS, JL, PL having their own agendas only weakens Somalia as a whole.

Federalism works for Puntland due to favorable clan demographics, but to the rest of the states, it is a complete disaster, the south is a melting pot, there are too many powerful clans vying of supremacy.

The federal states cannot develop fast enough, 3/5 are flat out broke, and the extremely modest budgets for the rest of the states are supported by resources inherited from the prior Somali state, such as the port of Bossaso for Puntland which was built in the '80s....under a centralized state.

Puntland is only against centralized rule as being directly ruled from Xamar gives Hawiye a political leg up, they don't dislike the system at all but just where it's being applied from, which is a very understandable concern, but let's not pretend federalism is the solution because it is absolutely NOT.

haha very accurate description.

In my opinion, I think Somalia should end this soap opera and divide into three countries. South central Somalia needs to be governed from one place. Puntland can become a country and sort out their issue with Somaliland.

 

[Bohol]

How are they clan militia? maybe under the previous administrations but not now. The SNA battalion that fought in Beled Xaawo against the Kenyan backed forces consisted of Rahanweyn, Hawiye, Darood & all kinds.