Deni: “Somalia‘s army is non existent, rather clan militias working for their own interests”

[AarHawd_7]

How are they clan militia? maybe under the previous administrations but not now. The SNA brigade that fought in Beled Xaawo against the Kenyan backed forces consisted of Rahanweyn, Hawiye, Darood & all kinds.

They fight Kenyans but the Ethiopians are free and allowed to bordercross in to Somalia? Yet they been unable to clear Al Shabaab from the country. That ain’t a real army

 

[Temp]

They fight Kenyans but the Ethiopians are free and allowed to bordercross in to Somalia? Yet they been unable to clear Al Shabaab from the country. That ain’t a real army

I think your views are being clouded by the political dispute in Jubbaland somaaha lol
The Keyans are behaving a little bit more provocatively and confrontational with the Somali gov
Ethiopians are a little more sophisticated politically and work more in conjunction with the Somali gov

 

[Genesis]

They fight Kenyans but the Ethiopians are free and allowed to bordercross in to Somalia? Yet they been unable to clear Al Shabaab from the country. That ain’t a real army

Jubbaland's leadership is very well known Kenyan trojan horse, and a lot of Al Shabaab current gains are in the Jubbas, look here;
https://landinfo.no/wp-content/uplo...-areas-in-Southern-Somalia-21052019-final.pdf

The FGS must get Jubbaland under control first in order to beat Al Shabaab.

 

[Bohol]

They fight Kenyans but the Ethiopians are free and allowed to bordercross in to Somalia? Yet they been unable to clear Al Shabaab from the country. That ain’t a real army

The Ethiopians have mandate from the government but the Kenyans don't. It was Deni cousin that invited Ethiopia into Somalia in the first place.

 

[Crow]

Jubbaland's leadership is very well known Kenyan trojan horse, and a lot of Al Shabaab current gains are in the Jubbas, look here;
https://landinfo.no/wp-content/uplo...-areas-in-Southern-Somalia-21052019-final.pdf

The FGS must get Jubbaland under control first in order to beat Al Shabaab.

Why has Al Shabaab never done any terrorist attacks in Ethiopia when they've had no trouble doing so in Kenya? Somebody is working closely with Al Shabaab here and the evidence isn't pointing at Kenya.

 

[Temp]

Why has Al Shabaab never done any terrorist attacks in Ethiopia when they've had no trouble doing so in Kenya? Somebody is working closely with Al Shabaab here and the evidence isn't pointing at Kenya.

Ethiopia got tighter security and harsher penalty

 

[Genesis]

Why has Al Shabaab never done any terrorist attacks in Ethiopia when they've had no trouble doing so in Kenya? Somebody is working closely with Al Shabaab here and the evidence isn't pointing at Kenya.

Al Shabaab is primarily a destabilizing force, anyone who has anything to gain from weakening Somalia them will use them, whether that's the Khaleeji Arabs, Kenyans, Ethiopians, or even other Somali's.

They are terrorists for hire at this point, there is no end goal in sight for them.

 

[Crow]

Ethiopia got tighter security and harsher penalty
While in Kenya, Somali people are everywhere in every sector and easily breachable Kenyan security

There are more Somalis in Ethiopia. They also seem easier to breach considering how many armed rebellions they've had over the last few decades, not just by Somalis but other groups too. The fact that there hasn't been even one terror attack there, especially early on, when terrorist attacks were foreign to the region and security lower, is incredibly suspicious.

 

[Temp]

There are more Somalis in Ethiopia. They also seem easier to breach considering how many armed rebellions they've had over the last few decades, not just by Somalis but other groups too. The fact that there hasn't been even one terror attack there, especially early on, when terrorist attacks were foreign to the region and security lower, is incredibly suspicious.

If you look at it from that perspective, I guess it makes sense

 

[Addislad]

Al Shabaab is primarily a destabilizing force, anyone who has anything to gain from weakening Somalia them will use them, whether that's the Khaleeji Arabs, Kenyans, Ethiopians, or even other Somali's.

They are terrorists for hire at this point, there is no end goal in sight for them.

Why not give senior Al Shabaab leaders cash and immunity.

And dissolve the group

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

I think your views are being clouded by the political dispute in Jubbaland somaaha lol
The Keyans are behaving a little bit more provocatively and confrontational with the Somali gov
Ethiopians are a little more sophisticated politically and work more in conjunction with the Somali gov

but the Ethiopian were always ''working more in conjunction with the Somali gov'' since the early 2000.
the only difference is that people like you pretend they have no ulterior like they had before the ''political reforms''.

 

[Genesis]

Why not give senior Al Shabaab leaders cash and immunity.

And dissolve the group

That is what got us a lot of defectors to the group in the past. I believe we've tried a lot of negotiating, but the current members of Al Shabaab are the ones that have refused. I would still like to continue to increase our offers to buy off their top leadership.

If they refuse our offers of amnesty, they need to be eradicated.

 

[Temp]

but the Ethiopian were always ''working more in conjunction with the Somali gov'' since the early 2000.
the only difference is that people like you pretend they have no ulterior like they had before the ''political reforms''.

Who said they have no ulterior motive? Every country has its own national interest, but yet, its been easier to deal with them than Kenyans who are been very silly and transparent in their hostility and aggression.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Who said they have no ulterior motive? Every country has its own national interest, but yet, its been easier to deal with them than Kenyans who are been very silly and transparent in their hostility and aggression.

what is the dealing you're talking about?
tell me when the FGS said a thing against dams Ethiopia build which are draining jubba and shabelle riviers.
compare this country like egypt who's goverment is threating war, now i admit that somali gov is not in a position to threatened war but response or even acknowledge response is enough.

 

[Yusuf M]

Ironic considering he is a leader of clan enclave

Bloody majeerteen they can't even see hypocrisy if it is in front of them.

Puntland forces operate within its territory. While SNA is a clan moryaan militia that are deployed in other clan's territory to rape and murder. There's a big difference, try to learn.

 

[Temp]

what the dealing you talking about?
tell me when the FGS said a thing against dams Ethiopia build which are draining jubba and shabelle riviers.
compare this country like egypt who's goverment is threating war, now i admit that somali gov is not in a position to threatened war but response or even acknowledge response is enough.

I don't know whether the government said anything about that or not so I cant comment. But this is a little bit of a different topic. Although the dams will affect Somalia, its being built inside Ethiopia. You cant compare that to the actions that Kenya takes inside of Somalia confronting the Somali gov directly. Even if Somalia said anything to Ethiopia regarding the dams, I dont think it will make a difference because Ethiopia does not have an incentive to listen, they wont loose anything by not listening. The only hope Somalia would have is to put pressure on them through third party countries like the U.S to stop Ethiopia, which am sure Somalia has already considered and even done so.
But you've mixed up different issues. Naturally, different countries, especially neighbours with a history of hostility will have a pro-folio of different issues that they need to work on, this is completely different to what Kenya has done in recent years.

 

[Yusuf M]

A representative army wont just be operating in the south, they'd also need to be present in Puntland, are you okay with that?

No, only PL forces will be in charge of security of Puntland. No to Amisom iyo SNA moryaan troops in our territory.

 

[Temp]

No, only PL forces will be in charge of security of Puntland. No to Amisom iyo SNA moryaan troops in our territory.

Go away waryaa, who asked you anything

 

[Yusuf M]

Go away waryaa, who asked you anything

I'm from Puntland and I was just giving you my opinion.

 

[Temp]

I'm from Puntland and I was just giving you my opinion.

Good answer

Just didn't like how you went about your answer, not very nice calling us southerners mooriyan all the time