Did ajuran empire/state exist?

CABDULWALI XASAN.

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Great sources everyone, definitely will be referencing this when people say there was no massive state back then. Just a few months ago there was a guy saying it was only barawe and muqdisho city states. Well then what was the unifiying force that fought against the portugese ? And if I remember correctly this is the same time we (somalis) were pushing away oromos.
 

Cartan Boos

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From medieval accounts all the way to the early 1700s , there was state with its commercial capital in Mogadishu that covered most of the southern coast up to Mareeg and stretched into the far interior until it reach the state of Hadiyah (called Adea) and at times it was tributary to it and even Shoa ended paying tribute to it as European account relate about it. It was very powerful.

It also collaborated by archeology with many abandoned ruins, even a whole city in Mareeg with villages surounding it and one of the abandoned quarters of Mogadishu called Hamar Jabab covered 5km2 , which essentially made it hold around a population of 500.000 people. Thats just 1 quarter, not even El Garweyne was excavated yet crazyy right
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So yeah the empire/sultanate existed.but it wasn't called Ajuuran. The name Ajuuran was mostly just a local umbrella name for state administrators who usually were called amirs, naibs, wakils, imam's that taxed and coordinated production from the rural's and urban people, we have epigraphical and textual accounts of these titles being used. It was the same situation in northern and western Somalia with Awdal if we look at the details in Futuh

The tradition Somali relate about it is not even that specific to the southern coast and what they are actually remembering is how centralized Somalia was throughout during the medieval period and it was governed by state actors and divided into provinces.
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The name itself means taxation
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It's still kinda of a mystery what happened to it, because we have an account by a British that was held captive in Mogadishu in the year 1700 and he wrote a whole diary filled drawings of the city and its monuments and it describing how wealthy and glamorous they were.



and this was after the leadership was replaced and the rural rebellions they remember took control of the city in the late 1600s supposedly by Hiraab. It creates a gap in the memory. Because it was by early 1800s reduced and impoverished

I hypothesized to that it might have succumb to a natural catastrophe in a thread:

We have various names of the Sultans from the same dynastic line of the Somali sultan who met Ibn Batuta and other arabic textual mentions of other Sultans names and the surviving coins with their names engraved in them.
holy shit didn't know mogadishu was that big, that would make it biggest sub saharen city
 

Aseer

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They could have definitely been hawiye but we should be very careful of projecting our modern understanding of clans into a state that existed for several hundred years. Especially considering how clans were likely more fluid back then. For instance if you look at thee warsangeli genealogies online. You'll see the third guy from the tops name is hamargale. He even has a Wikipedia page. If a clan that far north has some connection with xamar it just goes to show how strange things were happening in the past that we don't fully understand
Yeah its so stupid how some users here try to approapriate somali civilisations as "muh qabiil!" I was literally explaining this concept to @Garaad Awal
 

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Wish we had a Ajuuraan on this forum. They live with us in Bale and Mogadishu. Always knew them as Hawiye. Olol Diinle carried the Hawiye title while the patriarch Gareen (royal family) himself is buried in Ximan Gareen. This was outlined by Hawiye elders during the infamous Tomaselli conference. Read below the red lines.

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I've always viewed Ajuran as Hawiye, I haven't seen any other documents stating otherwise.
 
I've always viewed Ajuran as Hawiye, I haven't seen any other documents stating otherwise.
Siyaad Barre tried his best to remove Hawiye from history. Notice it’s only certain people that will claim Ajuuraan is not Hawiye. I find that uber cringe. Then you have others claiming Ajuuraan never existed although RX, Hawiye and southern Dir will tell you Ajuuraan were the boss in south Somalia for centuries.
 

Idilinaa

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holy shit didn't know mogadishu was that big, that would make it biggest sub saharen city

Yeah i did the calculations a settlement that stretches 5km² would hold a population of 500.000 people with the usual high density 1.000 per hectre that medieval cities had. This is just 1 test dig in one of the old quarters that was buried under san dunes, so it was probably larger than that.

It makes sense how Ibn Batuta said it was a city endless in size. It was also monumental as well built with large blocks of stones.

I dont understand how we had small population but mogadishu was very large to accomodate lots of people.

Even excavated metropolises like Awfat and Hobaad held large populations. The Somali population was significant by medieval standards, far from small.

For example the citadel that housed royalty and nobels in Awfat in the Sector B is almost as big as the city in Sector B. They were enclosed by massive walls as well made of

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These are the only few large sites and places that have been excavated and investigated.

We will probably know more in the futures , how large the population was pinpointing more places and excavations. But based on Al-Umari the land between Awdal/Zayla and Awfat was extremely densily populated and cultivated throughout and we get a similar reference by European accounts between 1500-1700s describing a large agricultural output that could sustain a large population.
 
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Idilinaa

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Yeah its so stupid how some users here try to approapriate somali civilisations as "muh qabiil!" I was literally explaining this concept to @Garaad Awal

The large cities were multi-clan based, for example if you break down Xamar clans you will see they are diverse in lineage origin and come together under a confederation/occupation groupings and the sultanates based on Futuh and the surviving chronicles appointed Garaads/Emirs, Na'ibs, Wizier's to govern provinces/cities etc came from different origins and removed them and replaced with someone from another clan, so they could be from any qabil really, so it's difficult to boil them them down to 1 qabil.
 
The large cities were multi-clan based, for example if you break down Xamar clans you will see they are diverse in lineage origin and come together under a confederation/occupation groupings and the sultanates based on Futuh and the surviving chronicles appointed Garaads/Emirs, Na'ibs, Wizier's to govern provinces/cities etc came from different origins and removed them and replaced with someone from another clan, so they could be from any qabil really, so it's difficult to boil them them down to 1 qabil.
Considering how big are cities used to be. Shouldn't there be a lot of manuscripts that survived? You would think even with how strict and secretive somalis were . That these ajanabis should have been able to collect a few. I mean look at how many swahili or west african manuscripts they were able to collect.
 
So for the replies, there seems to be an assertion that the state existed but ajuran wasn’t its name. So what was it called and when was ajuran attributed to it?
 

Garaad Awal

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@Garaad Awal share your view on the historicity of an ajuran empire/state?
I’m not well versed about them. But I never read any mention of them. I’ve read that Mogadishu had rulers but I don’t know to what extent they ruled the interior. If it was an advanced state like Adal, only Allah knows
 
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