Did sultanates, , ifat and adal, annex Mogadishu?
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No, they’re too far away. Saylac to Xamar is 1300+ KM. Between them is nothing but semi arid scrubland inhabited by nomads. It’s a logistical nightmare and isn’t possible for a medieval Sultanate to operate so far away.
Garaad diinle
The only expansion we've ever had was that of the conquest of al-habasha where the imam ahmed alongside his generals and army conquered the solomonic dynasty and their dominion in the 16th century, that is to say he conquered the northern have of what would became ethiopia. His conquest went all the way north to Eritrea and sudan.
@Garaad diinle Is it bigger than modern SomaliaThe only expansion we've ever had was that of the conquest of al-habasha where the imam ahmed alongside his generals and army conquered the solomonic dynasty and their dominion in the 16th century, that is to say he conquered the northern have of what would became ethiopia. His conquest went all the way north to Eritrea and sudan.
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There isn’t any geographical barrier between Adal/Ifat and Ethiopia/Eritrea, unlike between Adal/Ifat and Southern Somalia. The semi arid grasslands inhabited by nomads for 1300+ KM prohibited a southward expansion to Southern Somalia, whilst to the west you have fertile farmland and an abundance of water resources allowing settlement and civilisation to form.The only expansion we've ever had was that of the conquest of al-habasha where the imam ahmed alongside his generals and army conquered the solomonic dynasty and their dominion in the 16th century, that is to say he conquered the northern have of what would became ethiopia. His conquest went all the way to Eritrea and sudan.
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Precisely there were no economic incentive for the adal to embark on a southward expansion towards the shores of the indian ocean instead they were enticed by the lush vegetative arable land with it's rainy climate. Nonetheless there were still a degree of trade and relationship between the north meaning adal and the south. We can see this relationship in the now archaeological site of derbi belanbel in duhn part of fiq in somali galbeed which served as a link or a bridge between north, south and the shewa highlands.
Furthermore the adal court was chaotic and unstable always fighting tooth and nail against the threat of the solomonic dynasty hence there were no time for a leisure expansion anywhere instead they were fighting to preserve what they had. Finally we may sort of know the southern most outpost of the adal for you see there is this territory mentioned in futuh named jalbi/galbi inhabited by somalis and might've had and importance to the adals.
What is of note is that raaso is close to Iimeey and another place named abaadir. Now that we know that jalbi/galbi which is close to the aforementioned places was also mentioned in futuh there must be some sort of hidden history in that place. It might've well been part of the adal/awdal confederacy.
Here is a map of the area. The yellow line is jalbi/galbi the green area which is interestingly called el waaq is also the other lines already has names writing on them.
In summary the area between the adal and southern somalia might not have been a place suited to extensive farming due to it's aired nature but it sure was a trade rout connected the two region by the ever moving qaafila of somali nomads. In other word the area might've been brimming with live and settlements that varied in sizes scattered all over the trade rout sustain by the flow of goods between the indian ocean and the agricultural north. In fact we know multiple clans such as the murule sheekhaal and the karanle that are usally found in hararghe and it's surrounding area that live now in the south in places such as imi liban or the nfd. They probably followed some anicent trade rout that was still in use in the 19th century.
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Probably. I'd say it was at the very least the biggest empire "if can called so" in the horn of africa until the 20th century.
I was under the impression that Somaliweyn was during that time split between the north Adal and the south Ajurran who were rivals. Or was there more kingdoms?
Garaad diinle
Somalis of all kind in somaliweyn were under a political system of sort but the biggest were the ajuraan and the adal. They weren't rivals but allies and trade partners. Everywhere you look in somaliweyn you'd see ruined stone cites scattered everywhere. These ruins were built on trade routs and sustained by them. These cities sized to exist after the collapse of the adal and the ajuraan and also the disruption of trade in the indian ocean. The portuguese litterally attacked every port city on the somali coast in the 16th century.
Take for example the issa the cousins of the walashama, after the collapse of the adal they gathered in the mountain of sitti and devised the sophisticated xeer cisse with their first elected ugaas from the wardiiq section being ugaas guuleed ugaad. Fun fact did you know that he grew up with lions and beast before being found and saved much like romulus and remus.
Yo I didn't know isaa created xeer ciise after the fall of adal.
The ugaas' story is like some tarzan shit, that's pretty cool.
@Garaad diinle When was Mogadishu mentioned in Fattouh? How is download this manuscript, my brother?
I'm talking about the manuscripts fath madinat harar
Pretty sure there is no english translation of it
Garaad diinle
Where did u get this? And ismail jabarti is it the darood ancestorFound it. Here it is.
@Garaad diinle Give me a way to download the Harari manuscriptFound it. Here it is.
Garaad diinle
I got it from this website a long time ago. I really thought i deleted the file or something but it turns out i saved it with a different name.
https://everythingharar.com/fath-madinatul-harar/
Yes, as i said before he is one of the awliya' of harar so it's not that surprising to see him in this story that took place seemingly before the futuh. Also other non somali people claim him as their ancestor such as silt'e but some silt'e also claim aw barkadle, perhaps they incorporated some somali clans into their people for all we know.
What button should I press to start downloading a book?
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