Berber was historically first used as an ethnonym for Somalis since the Punt had relations with Ancient Egypt.
Now you are putting words in my mouth. Bantu is a language, not an ethnic group. Do you not know what Benadiri means? The Banadiri people are ethnically an amalgam of heterogeneous populations. You really need to hit the books on the Banadir coast and the Benadiri people.The copium is insane, there is no evidence that all place names in Southern Somalia is of Bantu-originI can already guess which book you grabbed this out of, and it definitely came out after โ91. But what happened to the coast all being Benadiri and now youโre claiming itโs all Bantu? How stupid are you?
You used a Wikepdia quote regarding Arabs and Persians having to seek permission from Somalis to settle in their cities.
They are not, but even if they were, that doesn't prove anything. Why are you being racist?How much do you want to bet itโs either a Kenyan or J*reerweyn historian and if it was written after 1991
He literally does. Did you even read his research?
There isn't any overwhelming evidence. Do we have Swahili inscriptions? Any Swahili texts in Mogadishu? This is all based off a few places in Mogadishu having names of Swahili origin.
Wallahi you are a stubborn bastard. Barbaria almost always referred to the Somali coast and nothing else. Virtually every source on the East African coast had always distinguished the Somali coast including the south from the Swahili coast. If there were Swahilis/Bantus living in there then sources should say that but it doesn't. They always say Barbaria.
How are they debunked? This is a literal eyewitness account, nothing about it is lies.
Yes. Yaqut Al-Hamawi and Ibn Sa'id also said Barbars were living in Mogadishu. There were also Portuguese sources IIRC.
You mean Yaqut Al-Hamawi? He literally calls the inhabitants dark skinned.
So one, (1) source that says there were foreigners (which doesn't really imply that Somalis weren't living in the city) debunks all the other sources that say Somalis were living in the Benadir coast/Mogadishu? You are just trolling at this point.
Macawis isnโt from YemenThe desperation wallahi. I am currently wearing a macawiis, an article of clothing from Yemen. Does this mean I am Yemeni as well?
It certainly did not refer to the Arabs lol.
Man said fakrudin with zero evidence and then tells me what his clan was lol, ibn Battuta said that the sultan by race is berbera, he didnt say arab or persian he said Berbera. Now your here complaining to us on why he didnt call the sultan a somali, it's very simple cuz the word somali wasn't known to us at that time. Al masudi and ibn Khaldun both said berbera is between absynia and the zanj which is clearly somali. Ibn Battuta said that the town of zeila is a berbera town inhabited by negro people and they live between Zeila and Mogadishu. Now tell me when he says the sultan is berbera in what conclusion do you come to by saying he is a benadiri. You also said that maqdishi is a bantu language when people living in xamar and marka never spoke those languages and why the hell would arabs adopt a bantu language in the 1300s lol. There are also old arab poems before islam talking about us somalis and they used the word berbera. We were always known as berbera but here we have a benadiri thinking they was talking about his people, never seen such delusions
This source is from https://arcadia.sba.uniroma3.it/bitstream/2307/5815/1/The Banadir coast_Its peoples and their cultural history.pdf
This is from John Mugane. https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Story_of_Swahili/zIwNCgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq="as+the+historical+process+behind+the+rise+of+mogadishu"&pg=PA70&printsec=frontcover
I couldn't find the source for this but you can already tell how terrible it is. It claims all the place names in southern Somalia are of Bantu origin. What? How are Muuqdisho, Merca, Barawe, Gondershe, Hannassa, Ras Bar Balla, Warsheikh and Adale of Swahili origin? Bantus at no point ever dominated southern Somalia the only Swahili speakers the live in Somalia are in Barawa and Kismayo like I stated before. If they really did dominate Arab geographers would have included southern Somalia as apart of the Swahili coast. And of course, the sutff about seven bands of brothers is unsubstantiated BS.
I said Tunni Toore, there's Tunni shangamas and Tunni Toore, it can't be the case for tunni as there's no evidence that suggests it, closest thing I've seen would be this ;
Nope not well established, one source says they occupied an area after xaafuun mountains. No way to prove hawiye presence in marka town prior to biimaal migration to south, there's no old areas that they claim to inhabit, masjids that they've left behind or even gravesites, the hawiyes of marka are known like shukureere and juunji who've been in marka for 300 years specifically in Awbaali quarter. As for the reer samaale's in xamar then the fact that they all claim to be from clans in the interior is enough evidence, one of oldest of them being reer amiin khalafow who claim to be from silcis , Amiin Khalafow being their first progenitor to arrive to the coast.
Bimaal literally took the city from a hawiye sub clan lol, in which that sub clan took it from ajuran
He's inaccurate for saying hawiyes invaded, they were welcomed in and resided in their areas in Awbaali district till this day the Shukureere and Juunji reside there. Cerulli's claim isn't outrageous, very funny for a non banadiri to be criticizing what others said about banaadir, only a banaadiri is in the position to criticise, it's like me criticizing what a foreign historian says about the rich history of a certain tuulo in Galmudug.
None are of Bantu origin, the bantus of coastal settlements were brought through slave trade , they brought with them their cultural dances aswell such as Beeba , Madunda, Luunbi and Mateeko.
Biimaal never inhabited the city, they inhabited the hinterlands, it was only a small fraction called kafaari that were blacksmiths that lived in Awbaali , and were looked down upon by ordinary nomadic biimaal.
This is like saying non-Ethiopians aren't allowed to make criticism of the Ethiopian history. Ethnic origins are irrelevant, only solid arguments matter.
charles gullian literally say they are abgaal
Nope , I'm not talking about nationalities, if you want to talk Ethiopia then it would be like Amharas criticizing Harari history
What's his evidence? You're quoting him like he's a muhadith.
lol he went to somalia in the 1840s, he knows his shit
Still the same then. What, you think Ajnabis aren't allowed to criticize Somali history? What sense is there in that?
Cameroonian qaxootiโs in banaadir before Somalis"Muyi wa Mwisho"
The hotepping is insane
I am not saying Tunni Toore were slaves of Ajuuraan, just subjects or tributaries. We are talking about history that occurred 500 years ago, if what I am saying is true, the only evidence that would be available is through oral tradition. Cerulli, the scholar I cited, claims to derive his information from oral tradition, so you can take it or leave it.
There is not one source that says this, it is two different sources, Al-Idrisi and Ibn Said, who both record the Hawiye presence in Marka. These are two different scholars from two different time periods who are saying the same thing. This is enough proof, as they can't both be wrong.
I just proved it! What you are employing here is a circular argument. You employed the same argument to deny the Somali presence in Mogadishu around Ibn Battuta's time. It goes like this:
So what if they claim to be from interior clans? All Arab tribes in Xamar claim to be from Arabia. There is no tribe in Xamar that claims to have spontaneously appeared in the location of the city.
