Do you have any Civil War stories?

[Bohol]

I guess u never of the famous of the Hawiye slogan "Dalka difaac diidi mayno, isaaq ku duul dooni mayno" as a response to the regime when it began it's bombing campaign in the north. The slogan is usually said in Abgaal dialect, but I forgot how it went.

Also the Abgaal pilot that refused to bomb Hargeisa and defected to Djibouti. Even during the war many Hawiye surrendered to the SNM.

 

[Abdalla]

As I mentioned to @Abdalla I'm not fully informed on everything that happened. I do know that darood on darood inter-clan strife occurred. I know some sub-clans were more subjugated than others, and this was also in part due to the government wishing to keep some grip on power, that they were quickly loosing. I don't think in those times apart from a few, darood were looking out for each other, as sad as it is. There was some success in stoking the inter-clan fires.

I think it's important for history to be spoken about, and to have historical monuments and to analyse what went wrong. Because 30 odd years later, excuse my language but the countries still a shithole. I would also like to know more about caydiid and the hawiye conflict, all I really know is of destruction, it seems even the hawiye sub-clans fought each other ruthlessly.

I also experienced the same back home. Everywhere I went people were quite interested by what qabiil I was but never negatively. In fact in Hargeisa and other cities, people assumed initially I was a southerner because of the way I wore my hijaab and because I would always say 'wa meqaa' in shops. Yet nothing, nada not a second glance. I was corrected by others to say 'wa imisa' though.

On the other hand, in the west, Somalis have made qabiil a handbook to navigating life. It's shocking the lengths people go to or can know you. I've had an older Somali figure out not only my qabiil but my maternal uncle too one time, from the most obscure information. The clannism is endemic throughout the west unfortunately.

Do you think the previous generation brushed their issues under the rug? I think they were more resilient than us mentally.

Please enroll in my classes. I think you're intermediate level

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/for-the-love-of-the-game.31454/#post-822456

 

[Starscream]

I guess u never of the famous of the Hawiye slogan "Dalka difaac diidi mayno, isaaq ku duul dooni mayno" as a response to the regime when it began it's bombing campaign in the north. The slogan is usually said in Abgaal dialect, but I forgot how it went.

I guess you didn't see the hawiye commander video laughing and shelling isaaq students in hargaisa

 

[Gambar]

So when northern cities were being destroyed Southerners didn't give a shit until the war came to them.

Somalinimo never existed then and it doesn't exist now.

Not true. It was more of a kaftan the way they said it. But what the Isaaqs said was actually true, it was a warning to run because you are next. Somalinimo does exist usually when there’s an external enemy.

As I mentioned to @Abdalla I'm not fully informed on everything that happened. I do know that darood on darood inter-clan strife occurred. I know some sub-clans were more subjugated than others, and this was also in part due to the government wishing to keep some grip on power, that they were quickly loosing. I don't think in those times apart from a few, darood were looking out for each other, as sad as it is. There was some success in stoking the inter-clan fires.

I think it's important for history to be spoken about, and to have historical monuments and to analyse what went wrong. Because 30 odd years later, excuse my language but the countries still a shithole. I would also like to know more about caydiid and the hawiye conflict, all I really know is of destruction, it seems even the hawiye sub-clans fought each other ruthlessly.

I also experienced the same back home. Everywhere I went people were quite interested by what qabiil I was but never negatively. In fact in Hargeisa and other cities, people assumed initially I was a southerner because of the way I wore my hijaab and because I would always say 'wa meqaa' in shops. Yet nothing, nada not a second glance. I was corrected by others to say 'wa imisa' though.

On the other hand, in the west, Somalis have made qabiil a handbook to navigating life. It's shocking the lengths people go to or can know you. I've had an older Somali figure out not only my qabiil but my maternal uncle too one time, from the most obscure information. The clannism is endemic throughout the west unfortunately.

Do you think the previous generation brushed their issues under the rug? I think they were more resilient than us mentally.

That’s true, there should be monuments, museums and books but I’m afraid it’ll never happen. It’s too soon, there’s very little unity, and they would brush it under the rug because nobody wants to rehash pain not even landers.

The previous generation definitely brushed their issues under the rug.

I don’t think it’s resiliency, I think they are traumatized and re-living, re-experiencing those traumatic experiences. Imagine trying to live day to day after experiencing what they have? Living in a low income, crime ridden neighbourhood hearing gunshots makes it worse.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

I guess you didn't see the hawiye commander video laughing and shelling isaaq students in hargaisa

Never seen it, and even if it's true one sociopath doesn't represent the general Hawiye outlook on the war in the North. It's well known they weren't happy about what was happening up there.

 

[Arma]

You know who Mohamed Cabdi Hashi is?

That name sounds very familiar, is he Marehan?

 

[embarassing]

Isaaqs are not fundamentally different to any of the other clans, it all just comes down to politics. How much each clans plays up what happened to them is directly proportional to how far they would like to be removed from being ruled from Xamar. Hawiyes are naturally centralists since Xamar is a predominantly Hawiye city, so a victim-hood narrative and a continual re-hashing of what the kacaan did to them wouldn't serve them, and could possibly even cost them the capital. Daaroods are federalists and would like to keep their distance from Xamar politically speaking, which is why they occasionally bring up the 'brutality of the red-eyed Hutu hordes' during the civil war. Isaaqs are separatists, so they take the Daarood approach to an extreme and choose to vilify enemy clans, and even non-enemy clans such as the Hawiye, and play the victim, since this creation of the 'other' is what they use to justify secession. Without these approaches each clan would find it more difficult to achieve their respective political objectives.

Its true it all comes down to politics but from what I've noticed its not as simple as that. For example I've noticed on this forum the daroods who are very pro federalism are from Puntland (so not all daroods). I think federalism is good as well if it means development in each region I just don't agree with federal states clashing with the FG... foreign policy for example shouldn't be handled by states but by the FG. Also the FGS isn't hawiye its made up of all clans. Galmudug is a hawiye majority state and its leaders are going against the FG in the same way. So I don't think its that simple.

 

[xisaabiye]

I guess u never of the famous of the Hawiye slogan "Dalka difaac diidi mayno, isaaq ku duul dooni mayno" as a response to the regime when it began it's bombing campaign in the north. The slogan is usually said in Abgaal dialect, but I forgot how it went.

Polar opposite to the mocking "xabad keento" to the Isaaq who fled the carpet bombings

 

[Saalax Bidaar]

I guess you didn't see the hawiye commander video laughing and shelling isaaq students in hargaisa

Where?

 

[darklight]

some lived Mogadishu had to escape, most lived in k5 and were ok. some joined snm and got lost in the war

 

[Tjioux]

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[Saalax Bidaar]

One of my MJ relatives fought for the darood militias who were trying to counter Aideed . He always says he witnessed many close friends perish and leaves the questions at that .


It always make me wonder how many potential PTSD victims , war criminals and rapists we have in the West ? It would probably explain why many men turned to khat after the war . The attrocities in the Somali war were brutal and grotesque . The men who committed them are probably still alive .

True. Majority of Somalis who have lived through the civil war experience PTSD though they deny it. We think we are normal but no human being is supposed to experience horrific life altering experiences and not come out without effects.

 

[Hatredfree]

My mom neighbors who were Mj were executed by gun men all of them only one daughter survived my dad was shot in the leg and they fled to Kismayo the same day.

 

[Haji]

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Wow, seriously? What happened.

 

[Saalax Bidaar]

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[saywalahi]

alhamdulillah i lost no one to the civil war.

 

[Boqor]

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Wow that's a lot, were they in the Somali army?

 

[Boqor]

siad barre was against islamic inheritance he killed 10 sheikhs who opposed his western style inheritance he is in the hellfire now anyone who supports him is kuufaar like him and will burn. his anti sharia is worse than the millions he killed, u cannot be muslim and be pro siad barre which already makes 1 whole subclan minimum kuufaar

Best reply on whole thread wallahi

 

[DRACO]

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You are the biggest liar anything to tarnish image of somaliland you would say . Maybe I would believe that if another respectable or more descent puntlander said it , but you are full of sh*t!

Go one tell us the rest of your fake story!

 

[Tjioux]

Wow, seriously? What happened.

They were xoolo daqaato. And on their way to berbera they got caught by snm and rounded up and executed. And that was my dads only uncle