Do you have any Civil War stories?

[Xooshdheere]

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Was your grandmother Hawiye?

 

[Abdalla]

First of all AUN to everyone. I hope those that killed them will face justice either in this life or in the hereafter.

With that said, I saw a sharp contrast between the Isaaqs and the others on this thread. All the non-Isaaqs that shared their stories did not mention which party killed their relatives. They limited it just by saying who they lost and how they lost their family members. The Isaaqs spent more time in telling more about the perpetrators.

That's what I noticed reading this thread.

 

[Waxwaalan]

You choose the idea that Somalis can't work together and staying divided. And we are all suffering because we value qabilnimo over qaranimo.

You are right. We cannot compare us to anyone because we are the only backwards ethnic group killing each other over qabils in 2017, and believing qabils are ethnic groups.

Why would there be an animosity towards Djibouti? They tried to join the SDR twice but the French rigged the referendum and there's no secession in Djibouti.

I can understand Kurds because if their ethicitiy being different, and I can understand Sunni Iraqis because of religious reasons, but what difference does SL have with the mainland?

I support autonomous state, not secession state.

It's the state of reality.

Djibouti is in a position to join somalia. What's the difference between them and you? If anything joining them makes more sense than joining somalia. You guys are blinded and obsessed with Somaliland claiming we're brothers, then why not make an effort to get Djibouti to join you aswell? The simple fact is that if Somaliland chose to stand alone in 1960, you would not make any desperate attempt to hold on to us with the claims of somalinimo, ever. Less than 30 years together and suddenly we're death do us part?!?

Our history together as one state is very short, insignificant, and a useless tool to hold on to us.

The difference between us is clans and no matter how insignificant it may seem to you, it is extremely important as we could see from the civil war.

There is no sense in joining somalia unless you would want to comitt second genocide. We're all somali, but clan wise we're water & oil. Don't mix well.

Just accept the reality and move on.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Thankfully not many family members died during that time. Almost all of those who passed away died from disease they contracted at the swamp that is Liboi. My abti died from Malaria and a cousin died because she had contracted some kind of lung infection. Liboi was a really bad place to be a refugee in the middle of the rainy season.

 

[Waxwaalan]

So basically what your telling me is that you want colonialist borders to be reinstated.

Colonial borders? The only colonial remnant would be that we keep the name somaliland, but as i said you're uneducated to believe that all somalis lived under one state before colonialism. When the colonialists came, they had to negotiate with each region (that existed at that time) to create a treaty. The colonialists didn't go to moqdishu and negotiate for all somali regions. The clan borders has always existed you twat!

I would let a Madhiban rule the country let alone an Isaaq. I want a meritocratic system to replace the one we have now, which will give the chances to people who have the skills to succeed at their respective jobs, no matter what clan you are. I hate 4.5 system.

That's what you want. Your government isn't there & the people of somaliland can't wait for ya'll to pick your asses up from the ground.

How can you say that when I'm immune from "Muh Qabiil" Syndrome, unlike you. You and others who support SL secession are the biggest tribalists that I have seen. You have been poisoned, blinded, deafened and your will to think has been taken away by villainous and corrupt politicians. I hope you get better. Economically fair better? You're only saying that because SL is supposedly doing better but they are so many variables to consider like the fact that Hargeisa hasn't been bombed yet (which is suspicious).

You're so far up your fuuto wallahi.
You call your government corrupt free

 

[sanger]

@Shanshiyo1234 I'll share it with you as you asked. I didn't see your comment earlier oddly.

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I have seen this discussion before. I was anticipating a shit show where everyone questions whether some of these events even occurred, or fights about whether the sharing of these stories are beneficial.I'm pleasantly surprised. It turned out better than I had expected.

 

[Xooshdheere]

There is no sense in joining somalia unless you would want to comitt second genocide. We're all somali, but clan wise we're water & oil. Don't mix well.

so arrogant and paranoid

 

[Waxwaalan]

so arrogant and paranoid

If u think that's paranoia u really don't know anything about somalis

 

[Hilaac]

Why do you think Xoosh’s family took part in the atrocities?

My bad if they didn't. I don't know he/she's intentions for posting that.

Reading that post rubbed me the wrong way. Why come to a thread where ppl are discussing the civil war and gloat about your family that were part of the formerly deplorable forces?

 

[sanger]

My bad if they didn't. I don't know he/she's intentions for posting that.

Reading that post rubbed me the wrong way. Why come to a thread where ppl are discussing the civil war and gloat about your family that were part of the formerly deplorable forces?

The entire armed forces was deplorable?

You don't even know where they were stationed. They could have been based in Bakool for all we know.

 

[Hilaac]

The entire armed forces was deplorable?

You don't even know where they were stationed. They could have been based in Bakool for all we know.

Well they would still have been doing injustice there. Weren't the raxanweyne massacred? My point is in that time frame the armed forces weren't innocent at all.

 

[Xooshdheere]

If u think that's paranoia u really don't know anything about somalis

I know, Somalis are like the in South side Chicago, their entire world revolves around their block/tuulo as they murder each other day in and day out without any actual gains being made while the world watches in shock, but keeping sure they stay in their containment zone.

Animals.

 

[KULTA]

None of my close family members (ayeeyos, awoowes, abtis, adeers, habaryars, eedos etc etc)
died in the civil war but my awoowes brothers from my mothers side died in ethiopia fucking amxaars killed all of his brothers. This is why i hate amxaars with a passion.

 

[TSP]

@Shanshiyo1234 I'll share it with you as you asked. I didn't see your comment earlier oddly.

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I have seen this discussion before. I was anticipating a shit show where everyone questions whether some of these events even occurred, or fights about whether the sharing of these stories are beneficial.I'm pleasantly surprised. It turned out better than I had expected.

I know how you feel. I made a huge mistake sharing a civil story to one of the most qabilist users on the site who I believe is from the same tribe as me, and he told me I deserved to share the same fate as my paternal grandmother who died in Xamar for being a sympathizer.

 

[sanger]

I know how you feel. I made a huge mistake sharing a civil story to one of the most qabilist users on the site who I believe is from the same tribe as me, and he told me I deserved to share the same fate as my paternal grandmother who died in Xamar for being a sympathizer.

who was it?

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Move on people, war is horrible. The only good thing that come out of it is everyone is focusing on thier gobols.

 

[Abdalla]

Well they would still have been doing injustice there. Weren't the raxanweyne massacred? My point is in that time frame the armed forces weren't innocent at all.

Let's see how consistent you're in your outrage against @Xooshdheere and his military family. The man you hail as a hero, Muuse Biixi, was also part of the SNA. I know you will say that Biixi left the SNA to join SNM in mid 1980s. But will you also condemn him for the attrocities committed by the armed forces in the 1970s? Better yet Siilanyo was a minister in the Kacaan in 1978 when the mudug crackdown took place. Show us the same outrage you showed the father of xooshdheere.

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

Colonial borders? The only colonial remnant would be that we keep the name somaliland, but as i said you're uneducated to believe that all somalis lived under one state before colonialism. When the colonialists came, they had to negotiate with each region (that existed at that time) to create a treaty. The colonialists didn't go to moqdishu and negotiate for all somali regions. The clan borders has always existed you twat!


That's what you want. Your government isn't there & the people of somaliland can't wait for ya'll to pick your asses up from the ground.



You're so far up your fuuto wallahi.
You call your government corrupt free

No you moron, what you want is to recreate Italian Somaliland and British Somaliland again. It would be next to impossible to recreate clan sultanate borders again, so are on earth are you talking about that?



When did I say SFG was corrupt free? They have a corruption problem just like your illegal government. The difference is that SFG is a legitimate government whereas SL isn't.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

First of all AUN to everyone. I hope those that killed them will face justice either in this life or in the hereafter.

With that said, I saw a sharp contrast between the Isaaqs and the others on this thread. All the non-Isaaqs that shared their stories did not mention which party killed their relatives. They limited it just by saying who they lost and how they lost their family members. The Isaaqs spent more time in telling more about the perpetrators.

That's what I noticed reading this thread.

Isaaqs are not fundamentally different to any of the other clans, it all just comes down to politics. How much each clans plays up what happened to them is directly proportional to how far they would like to be removed from being ruled from Xamar. Hawiyes are naturally centralists since Xamar is a predominantly Hawiye city, so a victim-hood narrative and a continual re-hashing of what the kacaan did to them wouldn't serve them, and could possibly even cost them the capital. Daaroods are federalists and would like to keep their distance from Xamar politically speaking, which is why they occasionally bring up the 'brutality of the red-eyed censored hordes' during the civil war. Isaaqs are separatists, so they take the Daarood approach to an extreme and choose to vilify enemy clans, and even non-enemy clans such as the Hawiye, and play the victim, since this creation of the 'other' is what they use to justify secession. Without these approaches each clan would find it more difficult to achieve their respective political objectives.

 

[Gambar]

My bad if they didn't. I don't know he/she's intentions for posting that.

Reading that post rubbed me the wrong way. Why come to a thread where ppl are discussing the civil war and gloat about your family that were part of the formerly deplorable forces?

Working for the government doesn’t mean they took part in deplorable acts, but I see where you are coming from.

What rubbed me the wrong way were comments @xisaabiye ’s comments. Did they rub you the wrong way?

Well they would still have been doing injustice there. Weren't the raxanweyne massacred? My point is in that time frame the armed forces weren't innocent at all.

I don’t know if the Raxanweyne were massacred during the kacaan, but they were during the civil war and formed the RRA.