Ah so they came from southern china
I always thought it was Indonesia, also how many years do you think it’ll take for multiracial groups like dominicans, puerto ricans and brazilians to form their own separate genotype?
Do you think Somalis are mixed or pure?
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I always thought it was Indonesia, also how many years do you think it’ll take for multiracial groups like dominicans, puerto ricans and brazilians to form their own separate genotype?
Where did they migrate from? Siberia?
The alchemist
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There is no such thing as pure. We are a mix of early neolithic farmers from the levant (arabs ancestors) and indigenous africans that came from southern egypt about 20 000 years ago. That part of our dna is today only uniqe to east africans. And we have a small portion of middle-eastern recent input.
Apollo
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Southern China and before that perhaps Mongolia or East Siberia.
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they're not referring to somalis, they're actually talking about Nilotes
Last I checked from the studies, we're mixed. 40% western eurasian. 60% nilo-saharan.
We are not mixed. You cannot recreate a complex series of ancient admixture events. Then stabilize a population making them socially endogamous to beget a contemporary Somali. There is also no need for you to claim mixed because you think its trendy (or are suffering from a diasporan induced identity crisis). You are just a regular Farax or Xalimo.
I had the same opinion as you, but as I decided there was no harm in simply looking at the present available evidence to form a sensible conclusion about the matter, I went ahead and did that.
Here are my findings. Disclaimer: I'm 100% open minded to different perspectives. The subject in general is interesting to me. I also don't care if I'm mixed or purely African, ultimately I'm Somali so that doesn't matter.
To breakdown my reasoning, I'll be using genetic research on autosomal DNA. This is gonna be a long reply, which I think you deserve, since this is a hot take, and
Autosomal DNA is based on chromosomes passes on from your parents to you.
Research study 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4055572/pdf/pgen.1004393.pdf
Early Back-to-Africa Migration into the Horn of Africa
Figure 1:
Essentially there are 2 plots.
Plot A accounts for different groups in different regions. The blue triangle represents Horn of African people. As you can see, there are pretty much smack dab in between other Sub-Saharan Africans and West Eurasians.
Plot B takes the Horn of African data point from Plot A (i.e. the blue triangle) and separates it into different ethnic groups.
Somalis are the orange triangle. This shows that Somalis are more related to other Cushitic speaking peoples (no surprise there).
Figure 2:
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Essentially as you go down from 10 to 12, you're adding a new variable.
In diagram 10, we see that Somalis have roughly 60% Nilo-Saharan DNA ancestry, 10% North African, called Maghrebi* and 10% Arabian.
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*on the Maghrebi portion:
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In diagram 11, we add an indigenous Horn of African marker called Ethiopic, which eats away at about a third of the Nilo-Saharan DNA, so from 60% to 40%, of which 20% is now Ethiopic.
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In diagram 12, we introduce an ancestry known as Ethio-Somali. This completely eats at all the Eurasian and Ethiopic DNA, only leaving out about 20% Nilo-Saharan DNA.
Lets see what's said about this Ethio-Somali ancestry:
Note: This also proves that Somalis didn't descend from Arabs a couple thousand years ago. We weren't Arab, in that sense. This mixing most likely occurred prehistorically, before agriculture. As in, there was no "Arab" culture, or civilized peoples. So the Darod and Isaaq myths are still that: myths.
Well that's enough from the first study, onto the next.
Research Study 2:
Genome-wide analyses disclose the distinctive HLA architecture and the pharmacogenetic landscape of the Somali population
Right from the beginning summary:
This already ties into what the previous study already suggested. Which they noticed:
Their personal findings from 95 Somalis who acted as the sample size:
This is a pretty long explanation. Took a while to make this response, so hopefully you enjoy it. There's also Y-DNA and Mt-DNA to take into account, but that's another story for another day.
I am aware of the research. When I said not mixed I'm referring to not recently admixed. Please do a second read through. I'm very much against using that term as it's a misnomer which is liable to be used as a sound bite by ajnabis which are dilettantes in interpreting genetic information. There are more recently admixed populations in this world but they do not go around calling themselves 'mixed'.
With all do respect, I do not care about defunct (populations from thousands of years ago which are AEA and ANA).That's fair.I am aware of the research. When I said not mixed I'm referring to not recently admixed. Please do a second read through. I'm very much against using that term as it's a misnomer which is liable to be used as a sound bite by ajnabis which are dilettantes in interpreting genetic information. There are more recently admixed populations in this world but they do not go around calling themselves 'mixed'.
I mean ethnically and culturally, absolutely. I think the OP was asking if we are mixed race as in having racial ancestry from two or more sources that's significant enough to conclude that one is mixed. The answer to that is yes. But not recently. Very ancient.
Ultimately a pure Somali identity is preferred.
Yemenis where One of the most feared and brave Arabs back thenI ain’t came from no dirty yemeni midgets
Zanzibar people are mixed with arabs and they look nothing like us.
When they say we are 60% subsaharan and 40%west-eurasian is the ethio-somali counted as "subsaharan'?
Cause from the pics more than half of the somali column is green(ethio-somali) but then they say that ethio-somali is a non african component. I'm confused
