Dumaal ( marrying your deceased brother's wife) gone wrong. The man that was believed to be dead

[Gibiin-Udug]

Stop tryna impose alien values on our culture.

Do you support this Dumaal shenanigans

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

I would prefer my blood to look after my children and be the father figure in their life if i ever passed away then a stranger who may resent my children

Plus, i dont get why guys are more insecure about your own brother marrying your wife but not a random guy

 

[Bahal]

Do you support this Dumaal shenanigans

It's our culture, I'm sure somewhere down your family tree there's a dumaal

 

[Gibiin-Udug]

It's our culture, I'm sure somewhere down your family tree there's a dumaal

Loooooool

Hell no my family never had Dumaal and never will inshallah.

So you will be the first in line if anything comes to your brother eh.

 

[VixR]

Disgusting

Forreal this a thing that happens?

This is like something straight out of a historical indigenous cultural account book that people read in awe of long ago medieval practices, like the Mayans with their turquoise teeth implants and blood practices, and the Egyptian elites with their sibling fuckery. And I thought the cousin fucking you apparently appropriated from the Ayrabs (and I always associated with them) and "the best person ever to have lived" was bad, so where the hell did this bullshit originate from? Waaq times? 'Cuz it's definitely pre-Islam.

There is no honor among men.

 

[maestro]

Disgusting

Forreal this a thing that happens?

This is like something straight out of a historical indigenous cultural account book that people read in awe of long ago medieval practices, like the Mayans with their turquoise teeth implants and blood practices, and the Egyptian elites with their sibling fuckery. And I thought cousin fucking you apparently appropriated from the Ayrabs (and I always associated with them) and "the best person ever to have lived" was bad, so where the hell did this bullshit originate from? Waaq times? 'Cuz it's definitely pre-Islam.

I know! Seems too outdated and ancient.

 

[VixR]

I know! Seems too outdated and ancient.

Wtf man...my jaw is still dropped. What a weird notion. I can just imagine some chief or other in ancient times sending his brother off to some skirmish or other and then enstating this into law with the sole purpose of possessing his dead brother's wife.

That's exactly how it reads with this warlike people trope. And that's exactly how shit used to go down if you read about the ways of the long dead, it's like something out of a Genghis Khan story.

 

[maestro]

Wtf man...my jaw is still dropped. What a weird notion. I can just imagine some chief or other in ancient times sending his brother off to some skirmish or other and then enstating into law with the purpose of possessing his dead brother's wife.

That's where it started definitely but In Islam it is allowed to make your brother's wife a second wife or a wife inorder to protect her and provide for his kids. This makes perfect sense and I get why it's necessary. Im sure even many of my grandparents did this But it's 2016 now and we don't live in Somalia, widows don't need protection and brothers don't die easily, most of them grow old with their wives and children.

The mindset has changed and some of us consider being interested in your brother's wife when he's dead even worse than when he's alive. No matter how attractive she its a big NOPE.

People still practice it and I don't care about what they do with their lives... you know how consent and mind-your-own-business works. but it's gonna be a definite + from me on this topic

 

[VixR]

That's where it started definitely but In Islam it is allowed to make your brother's wife a second wife or a wife inorder to protect her and provide for his kids. This makes perfect sense and I get why it's necessary. Im sure even many of my grandparents did this But it's 2016 now and we don't live in Somalia, widows don't need protection and brothers don't die easily, most of them grow old with their wives and children.

The mindset has changed and some of us consider being interested in your brother's wife when he's dead even worse than when he's alive. No matter how attractive she its a big NOPE.

People still practice it and I don't care about what they do with their lives... you know how consent and mind-your-own-business works. but it's gonna be a definite + from me on this topic

Where in Islam does it say this explicitly? I understand it's not one of the listed haram prospects in that one aya, all of which listed in the Quran are basically "duhs", immediate family members no sane person would even entertain sleeping with in the first place. I've honestly never heard of this being a thing 'til now, and it is absolutely not a necessity for a brother-in-law to take on his dead brother's wife in order for the tribal system to recognize and help it's widows and orphaned children, or for the family, including the in-laws, to help one of it's immediate members.

The justifications are pure nonsense and transparent, it's all too obvious.

How prevalent is this?

 

[maestro]

Where in Islam does it say this explicitly? I understand it's not one of the listed haram prospects in that one aya, all of which listed in the Quran are basically "duhs", immediate family members no sane person would even entertain sleeping with in the first place. I've honestly never heard of this being a thing 'til now, and it is absolutely not a necessity for a brother-in-law to take on his dead brother's wife in order for the tribal system to recognize and help it's widows and orphaned children, or for the family, including the in-laws, to help one of it's immediate members.

The justifications are pure nonsense and transparent, it's all too obvious.

How prevalent is this?

I'm like you. This is quite new to me too. I don't even know where it says that in the Quran but people say it's allowed in Islam.

And it is a necessity if you could just imagine yourself in the 13th century when widows were a common thing and the only option was to get married to your brother in law to survive.

 

[Bahal]

Disgusting

Forreal this a thing that happens?

This is like something straight out of a historical indigenous cultural account book that people read in awe of long ago medieval practices, like the Mayans with their turquoise teeth implants and blood practices, and the Egyptian elites with their sibling fuckery. And I thought the cousin fucking you apparently appropriated from the Ayrabs (and I always associated with them) and "the best person ever to have lived" was bad, so where the hell did this bullshit originate from? Waaq times? 'Cuz it's definitely pre-Islam.

There is no honor among men.

Cadaan ismooday, ain't a damn thing wrong with dumaal, it safeguards the wealth and safety of the family from outsiders.

 

[VixR]

Cadaan ismooday, ain't a damn thing wrong with dumaal, it safeguards the wealth and safety of the family from outsiders.

Shutup. If you can't see it for what it is, you can't be helped.

 

[Bahal]

Shutup. If you can't see it for what it is, you can't be helped.

Let me teach you your culture young padawan

 

[VixR]

Let me teach you your culture young padawan

Fxck your culture.

Go ahead and keep repeating this to yourself, maybe eventually u'll actually start to believe it: "Cadaan ismooday, ain't a damn thing wrong with dumaal, it safeguards the wealth and safety of the family from outsiders."

Fxcking bahal indeed.

 

[Bahal]

Fxck your culture.

Go ahead and keep repeating this to yourself, maybe eventually u'll actually start to believe it: "Cadaan ismooday, ain't a damn thing wrong with dumaal, it safeguards the wealth and safety of the family from outsiders."

Fxcking bahal indeed.

Our beautiful culture will never die walaal, dumaal is indeed a noble act that must be continued until the Last Day. We must safeguard the honor and property of the tol at all cost



I would like nothing more than my brother raising my children as his own if god forbid tragedy strikes

 

[VixR]

Our beautiful culture will never die walaal, dumaal is indeed a noble act that must be continued until the Last Day. We must safeguard the honor and property of the tol at all cost



I would like nothing more than my brother raising my children as his own if god forbid tragedy strikes

No surprises here. It's not like I didn't know something was off with you.

 

[Bahal]

No surprises here. It's not like I didn't know something was off with you.

Off with me?

On the contrary, I wish to preserve our culture and heritage until the day He Who Holds My Life in His Hand calls mankind to judgement.

Surely there is something off with you if you wish to erase our values from the face of the earth.

 

[VixR]

Off with me?

On the contrary, I wish to preserve our culture and heritage until the day He Who Holds My Life in His Hand calls mankind to judgement.

Surely there is something off with you if you wish to erase our values from the face of the earth.

Lmao. What value? When the 'value' you're fiercely upholding now is sleeping with your dead brother's wife, I can only imagine the other lovely values you hold dear.

 

[Bahal]

Lmao. What value? When the 'value' you're fiercely upholding now is sleeping with your brother's dead wife, I can only guess at the other lovely values you hold dear.

Smh another race traitor and open enemy of the peace loving Somali people



What other cultural practices would you so wantonly discard? Perhaps our cultural dress? Hilib geel? Clan revenge killings?

 

[VixR]

Smh another race traitor and open enemy of the peace loving Somali people



What other cultural practices would you so wantonly discard? Perhaps our cultural dress? Hilib geel? Clan revenge killings?

Peace-loving

GTFOH, I've seen your genocidal rantings.

When u cling to the past and produce nothing, you will die out with 100% certainty.

When anyone who wants progress for their group is labeled a traitor, you'll be forever lost.

As if cultural dresses, poetry, or fxcking hilib is a problem worth mentioning nacalaa and to put it next to clan revenge killings like that makes a lick of sense

It's not like you're stable, anyway.

There's a whole bunch of things that need to change,1 million percent, that's not even up for dispute, and it's all very obvious.

Preserve kulaha, I would be overwhelmed on where to start.

But I don't have the temperment for it.

What u need is a dictator with vision (not you, your type is the crutch that holds us back and belongs in the past, long long long long long long dead, no offense).