East London Muslim patrol

[JohnDoe]

on wat basis do u disagree- ure saying it is islamic law to force non muslims to conform to shariah (assuming jizya is paid) nd there is no basis to that claim

ayaan hirsi ali must be ur mentor

"Whoever amongst you sees an evil, he must change it with his hand. If he is not able to do so, then with his tongue. And if he is not able to do so, then with his heart, and that is the weakest form of faith"
Sahih Muslim, Book 34

That's what your Prophet said.Note He didn't say in the hadith to do this only if you're in a Islamic state but said if your able it is obligatory to stop 'evil' in general. These Muslims are merely applying what they've read. You can hear one of them at one point in the video saying they're 'preventing munkar' an Islamic concept.

 

[afrosomali]

"Whoever amongst you sees an evil, he must change it with his hand. If he is not able to do so, then with his tongue. And if he is not able to do so, then with his heart, and that is the weakest form of faith"
Sahih Muslim, Book 34

That's what your Prophet said.Note He didn't say in the hadith to do this only if you're in a Islamic state but said if your able it is obligatory to stop 'evil' in general. These Muslims are merely applying what they've read. You can hear one of them at one point in the video saying they're 'preventing munkar' an Islamic concept.

how does that discount the protections of jizya ??

do u not understand that that message is intended for a muslim society ??

if this is where ure gonna go off into left field- im out man peace

 

[JohnDoe]

how does that discount the protections of jizya ??

do u not understand that that message is intended for a muslim society ??

if this is where ure gonna go off into left field- im out man peace

'Protections of Jizya' lmao who needs protection we all live in secular states that guarantee our freedom to believe as we wish be it Muslim or non-Muslim. And what's even better is no one faith is given special treatment. Both you and I know full well that under an Islamic state the only groups that would be offered the option of Jizya' are the Jews and Christians. And for the rest? Accept Islam or face the sword.

 

[Hitman]

'Protections of Jizya' lmao who needs protection we all live in secular states that guarantee our freedom to believe as we wish be it Muslim or non-Muslim. And what's even better is no one faith is given special treatment. Both you and I know full well that under an Islamic state the only groups that would be offered the option of Jizya' are the Jews and Christians. And for the rest? Accept Islam or face the sword.

You're soo ignorant, it's embarrassing.

 

[JohnDoe]

You're soo ignorant, it's embarrassing.

Tell me an error in that excerpt you just quoted.

 

[Hitman]

'Protections of Jizya' lmao who needs protection we all live in secular states that guarantee our freedom to believe as we wish be it Muslim or non-Muslim. And what's even better is no one faith is given special treatment. Both you and I know full well that under an Islamic state the only groups that would be offered the option of Jizya' are the Jews and Christians. And for the rest? Accept Islam or face the sword.

1. What do you mean 'who needs protection'? Surely it's those who want to live in the Islamic state.

2. The non-Muslims who were under Islamic rule could have relocated to a different land.

3. The dhimmi status applies to all non-Muslims according to the more sound opinion. So it's not 'accept Islam or face the sword'.

4. I can prove to you that non-Muslims in the past would flee to the Islamic state, they loved living under Islamic leadership.

5. If non-Muslims have to pay jizya, what's your point? Muslims have to pay zakaah.

6. No one is given 'special treatment' in an Islamic state. Everyone is treated fairly and justly, including animals (literally). There are many examples of this:


I don't reply to you as often because you literally spew fallacious information. You make things up (that are far removed from reality) out of thin air. No one is forced to live under the Islamic state, if you want to live there, you can; if not, no problem. The worst part is, you're incredibly delusional and see no errors in your baseless arguments.


I will not have a discussion about religion with you, if you're not presenting facts. If I don't reply to you then it's a sure sign that you're in your own world again.

 

[JohnDoe]

1. What do you mean 'who needs protection'? Surely it's those who want to live in an Islamic state.

2. The non-Muslims who were under Islamic rule could have relocated to a different land.

3. The dhimmi status applies to all non-Muslims according to the more sound opinion. So it's not 'accept Islam or face the sword'.

4. If dhimmis pay jizya, what's your point? I can prove to you that non-Muslims in the past would flee to the Islamic state, they loved living under Islamic leadership.

5. If non-Muslims have to pay jizya, what's your point? Muslims have to pay zakaah.

6. No one is given 'special treatment' in an Islamic state. Everyone is treated fairly and justly, including animals (literally). There are many examples of this.


I don't reply to you as often because you literally spew fallacious information. You make things up (that are far removed from reality) out of thin air. No one is forced to live under the Islamic state, if you want to live there, you can; if not, no problem. The worst part is, you're incredibly delusional and see no errors in your baseless arguments.


I will not have a discussion about religion with you, if you're not presenting facts. If I don't reply to you, then it's a sure sign that you're in your own world again.

1. What do you mean 'who needs protection'? Surely it's those who want to live in the Islamic state.

2. The non-Muslims who were under Islamic rule could have relocated to a different land.

3. The dhimmi status applies to all non-Muslims according to the more sound opinion. So it's not 'accept Islam or face the sword'.

4. I can prove to you that non-Muslims in the past would flee to the Islamic state, they loved living under Islamic leadership.

5. If non-Muslims have to pay jizya, what's your point? Muslims have to pay zakaah.

6. No one is given 'special treatment' in an Islamic state. Everyone is treated fairly and justly, including animals (literally). There are many examples of this:


I don't reply to you as often because you literally spew fallacious information. You make things up (that are far removed from reality) out of thin air. No one is forced to live under the Islamic state, if you want to live there, you can; if not, no problem. The worst part is, you're incredibly delusional and see no errors in your baseless arguments.


I will not have a discussion about religion with you, if you're not presenting facts. If I don't reply to you, then it's a sure sign that you're in your own world again.

A recurring theme is how you keep talking about 'the past' and this isn't even the recent past. I'm saying a superior system has emerged called Secularism which frankly didn't exist in the past. It not only allows us to practice our beliefs in peace but it even tolerates the street Da'wah I so often see which in a Islamic State simply wouldn't be tolerated. And about everyone being treated the same ROFL that's utter poppycock. The fact a Muslim shouldn't be killed even if he murders a disbeliever says it all. The ijma' (consensus) say Jizya' only applies to People of the Book so I don't where you got the claim Jizya' is for everyone. You don't have to reply because frankly I enjoy having the last word.

The legal regulations of Diya (Blood-money) and the (ransom for) releasing of the captives, and the judgment that NO MUSLIM SHOULD BE KILLED in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever)." - Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Number 50

Talk about special treatment.

 

[Hitman]

A recurring theme is how you keep talking about 'the past' and this isn't even the recent past. I'm saying a superior system has emerged called Secularism which frankly didn't exist in the past. It not only allows us to practice our beliefs in peace but it even tolerates the street Da'wah I so often see which in a Islamic State simply wouldn't be tolerated. And about everyone being treated the same ROFL that's utter poppycock. The fact a Muslim shouldn't be killed even if he murders a disbeliever says it all. The ijma' (consensus) say Jizya' only applies to People of the Book so I don't where you got the claim Jizya' is for everyone. You don't have to reply because frankly I enjoy having the last word.

The legal regulations of Diya (Blood-money) and the (ransom for) releasing of the captives, and the judgment that NO MUSLIM SHOULD BE KILLED in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever)." - Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Number 50

Talk about special treatment.

The 'past' that I'm talking about is how Islam supposed to be, It's what Islam commands. Again, you spew utter nonsense. I did not say the 'ijma' suggests that all non-Muslims are granted the status of dhimmi. I've merely stated that it's the more 'sound' opinion. Why are you going round in circles? If an individual does not want to live in an Islamic state, that's their choice. What's the matter with you? Killing a non-Muslim is against Islamic law. Many modern scholars are of the view that dhimmis should not be taxed in our day and age because of the changes in circumstance. Some laws are abrogated by the 'urf (customs) of a society. You think you're knowledgeable about Islam but you're embarrassingly ignorant. If you think there is justice in the secular States, then you must be in your own little world my friend. There are more injustices in the secular States than there are in third world countries. It's also very obvious that many of the influential personalities in these secular States are 'above the law'. In an Islamic state, no one is above the law.

Narrated 'Aisha (Radi-Allahu 'anha):

The people of Quraish worried about the lady from Bani Makhzum who had
committed theft. They asked, "Who will intercede for her with Allah's
Apostle?" Some said, "No one dare to do so except Usama bin Zaid the
beloved one to Allah's Apostle." When Usama spoke about that to Allah's
Apostle (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam), Allah's Apostle (Sallallahu 'Alaihi
Wa Sallam) said, (to him), "Do you try to intercede for somebody in a case
connected with Allah's Prescribed Punishments?" Then he got up and
delivered a sermon saying, "What destroyed the nations preceding you, was
that if a noble amongst them stole, they would forgive him, and if a poor
person amongst them stole, they would inflict Allah's Legal punishment on
him. By Allah, if Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad stole, I would cut off
her hand."

Bukhari Vol. 4 : No. 681

 

[JohnDoe]

The 'past' that I'm talking about is how Islam supposed to be, It's what Islam commands. Again, you spew utter nonsense. I did not say the 'ijma' suggests that all non-Muslims are granted the status of dhimmi. I've merely stated that it's the more 'sound' opinion. Why are you going round in circles? If an individual does not want to live in an Islamic state, that's their choice. What's the matter with you? Killing a non-Muslim is against Islamic law. Many modern scholars are of the view that dhimmis should not be taxed in our day and age because of the changes in circumstance. Some laws are abrogated by the 'urf (customs) of a society. You think you're knowledgeable about Islam but you're embarrassingly ignorant. If you think there is justice in the secular States, then you must be in your own little world my friend. There are more injustices in the secular States than there is in third world countries. It's also very obvious that many of the influential personalities in these secular States are 'above the law'. In an Islamic state, no one is above the law.

Narrated 'Aisha (Radi-Allahu 'anha):

The people of Quraish worried about the lady from Bani Makhzum who had
committed theft. They asked, "Who will intercede for her with Allah's
Apostle?" Some said, "No one dare to do so except Usama bin Zaid the
beloved one to Allah's Apostle." When Usama spoke about that to Allah's
Apostle (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam), Allah's Apostle (Sallallahu 'Alaihi
Wa Sallam) said, (to him), "Do you try to intercede for somebody in a case
connected with Allah's Prescribed Punishments?" Then he got up and
delivered a sermon saying, "What destroyed the nations preceding you, was
that if a noble amongst them stole, they would forgive him, and if a poor
person amongst them stole, they would inflict Allah's Legal punishment on
him. By Allah, if Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad stole, I would cut off
her hand."

Bukhari Vol. 4 : No. 681

Bro, iska saaxo haweyn iyo bar waayey.

 

[RedStar]

Britain First and their desperate campaign lol this video is two years old and it was recorded in Tower Hamlets. Those deranged Salafi kids were dealt with straight away.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

This is unislamic, the Quran teaches us to respect & adhere to the law of the land wherever we may be.

 

[Canuck]

Sahih Muslim (1:33)
'It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.'

Muhammad's experiences in Mecca made him realise Islam always had to be in a position of authority and if it meant an offensive war was required then so be it.

That's book was rebuked

 

[JohnDoe]

That's book was rebuked

So you're a Qur'anist? Many Muslims would immediately consider you to have left to fold of Islam if that's the case.

 

[JohnDoe]

This is unislamic, the Quran teaches us to respect & adhere to the law of the land wherever we may be.

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book (the Quran) fully detailed ?" (6:114)

Last time I checked, British common law wasn't derived from the Qur'an.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book (the Quran) fully detailed ?" (6:114)

Last time I checked, British common law wasn't derived from the Qur'an.

The Muslims living a non-Muslim country, even if they originally entered that country by means of forged documents, are considered to be living in their adopted country under a covenant. They must, therefore, comply with the laws of their country of residence without, at the same time, disobeying Islamic Law.

Allah says: “Oh you who believe! Fulfill (your) obligations.” [Sûrah al-Mâ’idah: 1]

He also says: “And fulfill (every) covenant. Verily! The covenant will be questioned about.” [Sûrah al-Isrâ': 34]

He says: “And fulfill the Covenant to Allah when you have covenanted, and break not the oaths after you have confirmed them.” [Sûrah al-Nahl: 91]

A Muslim is not to break or violate oaths or promises. He will not be a true faithful Muslim if he does so. Allah Said: “It is not the case that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside. Nay! The truth is most of them believe not.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 100]

Among the characteristics of a hypocrite is that he: “…acts treacherously toward covenants (pledges), and when entrusted he betrays.”

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

@JohnDoe when will your crusade end?

 

[JohnDoe]

The Muslims living a non-Muslim country, even if they originally entered that country by means of forged documents, are considered to be living in their adopted country under a covenant. They must, therefore, comply with the laws of their country of residence without, at the same time, disobeying Islamic Law.

Allah says: “Oh you who believe! Fulfill (your) obligations.” [Sûrah al-Mâ’idah: 1]

He also says: “And fulfill (every) covenant. Verily! The covenant will be questioned about.” [Sûrah al-Isrâ': 34]

He says: “And fulfill the Covenant to Allah when you have covenanted, and break not the oaths after you have confirmed them.” [Sûrah al-Nahl: 91]

A Muslim is not to break or violate oaths or promises. He will not be a true faithful Muslim if he does so. Allah Said: “It is not the case that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside. Nay! The truth is most of them believe not.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 100]

Among the characteristics of a hypocrite is that he: “…acts treacherously toward covenants (pledges), and when entrusted he betrays.”

I can see you're passionate about your faith. How about you join the Debate team on Slack? I'll make sure house rules are established.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

I can see you're passionate about your faith. How about you join the Debate team on Slack? I'll make sure house rules are established.

Look at your avatar. How do you expect any Muslim to debate you seriously when you're greeting him with insults & profanities?

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

I rather you mock my mother & father instead of prophet Muhammad.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

I'll pass, I vehemently reject your deposit.