This cushtic nonsense needs to die

Garaad Awal

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There’s also those with Mota who cluster in “Somali range” with those who don’t. The Mota is real in these folks like myself. Even shows up for myself and my father on qpadm. We both get Ethiopian Highland matches from as far away as Shewa. There is definitely diversity among Somalis that @Shimbiris might be overlooking.
 

Shimbiris

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My Mother doesn’t have it show up on Ancestry, generally falls in the Somali range of WE/SSA but knows about her recent Yemeni ancestry and has plenty of Peninsular Arab matches to prove it. I get where you are coming from but there are a lot of Somalis with Yemeni ancestry that 23&me doesn’t pick up and you can generally tell from qpadm or G25z

@giire12 for example is only 15% Arabian according to 23&me but on G25 once using Cushitic vs Arabian type model can hit 25-30% range. 22&me has Somali samples who are generally West Eurasian shifted. Ancestry has the opposite problem which is why every Somali picks up a minor Habesha component.

If your mother falls within the normal admixture range then it's probably been "bred out" as any really noticeable admixture, walaal. Highly doubtful someone clustering so close to the Somali average has very recent noticeable Yemeni admixture autosomally speaking. They would show it in admixture levels. But her matches and history confirm for sure it at least exists as actual ancestry going back somewhere in her lineage.

I shouldn't have used the 23andme example, knew someone would fixate on it when it's just an off-hand. The main point is that the admixture levels are too uniform among all these samples and the truth is, you know as well as I do, that you can make almost every single sample's Arabian scores vary depending on how you structure the model. You're really wasting your time trying to suss this stuff out with G25.

There’s also those with Mota who cluster in “Somali range” with those who don’t. The Mota is real in these folks like myself. Even shows up for myself and my father on qpadm. We both get Ethiopian Highland matches from as far away as Shewa. There is definitely diversity among Somalis that @Shimbiris might be overlooking.

This is a bit of a poor comparison. Don't you show signs in terms of admixture levels? I remember your admixture levels being different from the average?
 
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Shimbiris

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Below is a good example of Somalis with real outside autosomal admix:


Notice how with them it also shows in their admixture levels being plainly off the average. Now, explain logically how someone can be 5-10% more Yemeni than other Somalis yet still fall within the normal ~2% variation of Somali admixture. That’s impossible.

And let’s be serious, walaal—bringing up DNA matches doesn’t prove anything in this context. Matches simply show shared segments, not that your autosomal breakdown reflects recent admixture. If your admixture levels fit within the Somali norm, then you cannot have real, recent foreign ancestry. Not even recombination could explain that.
 

Garaad Awal

Former African
This is a bit of a poor comparison. Don't you show signs in terms of admixture levels? I remember your admixture levels being different from the average?
Not a poor comparison at all. Both my father and I fall in the average. In fact there are Southerners who are less West Eurasian than my father and I who show no Mota or Neolithic Iranian. So again your theory that no diversity among Somalis exist falls flat. One can have Mota or recent Arabian ancestry and still fall within the general range from Somaliweyn. You are ignoring or even rejecting the idea of regional differences despite this being the case. So someone from a region that tends to be less West Eurasian than let’s PL folks but has recent Yemeni admixture in the last 5 generations can end up looking very similar to PL Somalis and atleast appear pure which is what’s happening with my mother.
 

Shimbiris

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Not a poor comparison at all. Both my father and I fall in the average. In fact there are Southerners who are less West Eurasian than my father and I who show no Mota or Neolithic Iranian. So again your theory that no diversity among Somalis exist falls flat. One can have Mota or recent Arabian ancestry and still fall within the general range from Somaliweyn. You are ignoring or even rejecting the idea of regional differences despite this being the case. So someone from a region that tends to be less West Eurasian than let’s PL folks but has recent Yemeni admixture in the last 5 generations can end up looking very similar to PL Somalis and atleast appear pure which is what’s happening with my mother.

What I explained below is pretty simple and inarguable, to be honest:

Below is a good example of Somalis with real outside autosomal admix:


Notice how with them it also shows in their admixture levels being plainly off the average. Now, explain logically how someone can be 5-10% more Yemeni than other Somalis yet still fall within the normal ~2% variation of Somali admixture. That’s impossible.

And let’s be serious, walaal—bringing up DNA matches doesn’t prove anything in this context. Matches simply show shared segments, not that your autosomal breakdown reflects recent admixture. If your admixture levels fit within the Somali norm, then you cannot have real, recent foreign ancestry. Not even recombination could explain that.

It is impossible to be 5-10% more Yemeni than other Somalis, or 5-10% more Mota with significant Oromo or Xabashi admixture, and still fall within the normal ~2% variation of Somali autosomal makeup. If your overall genetic composition were truly distinct, it would show in your overall admixture levels—there’s no way around that. Not even recombination can explain it. It just isn’t possible.

What’s far more likely happening is exactly what I explained in that other thread about G25 getting thrown off by drift patterns and affinities—especially when individual samples, rather than population averages, are used. This effect is even worse with modern samples, where genetic noise can create misleading interpretations.

Most likely, what’s being picked up are segments your mom shares with Yemenis, inflating her shared drift with them and thus deflating her Natufian and inflating her Arabian because she shares extra drift with them in some segments other Somalis do not—but her actual autosomal admixture per component remains within the Somali norm, or she simply would not cluster with Somalis the way she does. Even qpAdm is completely susceptible to this type of skewing caused by your hooyo's shared drift with Yemenis.

If she truly had recent, significant foreign admixture, it would be reflected in her overall admixture levels plainly like with those Kenyans. It’s that simple.
 
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Garaad Awal

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What I explained below is pretty simple and inarguable, to be honest:



It is impossible to be 5-10% more Yemeni than other Somalis, or 5-10% more Mota with significant Oromo or Xabashi admixture, and still fall within the normal ~2% variation of Somali autosomal makeup. If your overall genetic composition were truly distinct, it would show in your overall admixture levels—there’s no way around that. Not even recombination can explain it. It just isn’t possible.

What’s far more likely happening is exactly what I explained in that other thread about G25 getting thrown off by drift patterns and affinities—especially when individual samples, rather than population averages, are used. This effect is even worse with modern samples, where genetic noise can create misleading interpretations.

Most likely, what’s being picked up are segments your mom shares with Yemenis, inflating her shared drift with them and thus deflating her Natufian and inflating her Arabian because she shares extra drift with them in some segments other Somalis do not—but her actual autosomal admixture per component remains within the Somali norm, or she simply would not cluster with Somalis the way she does. Even qpAdm is completely susceptible to this type of skewing caused by your hooyo's shared drift with Yemenis.

If she truly had recent, significant foreign admixture, it would be reflected in her overall admixture levels plainly like with those Kenyans. It’s that simple.
I have verified everything even on qpadm. My Mota & father’s Mota on qpadm & G25 were similar. My mother also has extra Yemeni/W.Eurasian compared to me and my father on qpadm & G25z So unless you are willing to throw out qpadm because it doesn’t fit your theory then I don’t know what other tool you can use. Only PCAs?
 

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I have verified everything even on qpadm. My Mota & father’s Mota on qpadm & G25 were similar. My mother also has extra Yemeni/W.Eurasian compared to me and my father on qpadm & G25z So unless you are willing to throw out qpadm because it doesn’t fit your theory then I don’t know what other tool you can use. Only PCAs?

Did you not read when I wrote:

Even qpAdm is completely susceptible to this type of skewing caused by your hooyo's shared drift with Yemenis.

That you would even answer with this shows you don't seem to understand how these tools work and think qpAdm is some statistical magic that's somehow magically better than G25 based nMonte. Neither is better than the other, they come at the same issue differently. It is just as easily skewed by drift sharing. It's actually cool that both appear to match closely according to you as they're both clearly picking up on shared drift your parents have with Yemenis and Xabashis respectively and thus deflating their Natufian-like in favor of elevating their Yemeni and Mota affinities respectively.

But again, it is near completely impossible to be within the normal ~2% Somali admixture range and have real variation for the individual components. Simply impossible, saaxiib. I don't know why I have to keep explaining this.
 

johnsepei5

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The guy looked like the brits from 1800s who went to Greece and tried to inspire the revolutionaries by reciting homers verses in ancient Greek, the Greek he was talking to were like: What the f*ck he is saying I can't understand his weird language. The OP had same moment with r/Sudan members

Bruh what
Nothing Reddit op said was a lie

are you saying Sudanese are intellectually null and can’t comprehend genetics
 

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