English should not be taught to Somalis/Muslims

[Angelina]

@Abu Ash’ari

The rise of the Totalitarian Akh-right Muslim boys really need to be studied. The conscious dissonance is incredibly interesting. You abhor Westernization, but want to take the worst aspects and theories created in the West. Ultimately, it’s still a form of Western political ideology that has never been utilized in Islamic history.

It’s this low-IQ mentality and having individuals like that running rampant which causes havoc in the Muslim community.

Islam isn’t totalitarian. That is a Western concept. You cannot ban the learning of languages and ban education. Totalitarianism is a kufri ideology which says the government should have unlimited control over society to reshape it into a particular ideal. It goes back to Ancient Greeks with the writings of Plato and in more recent times by Hagel a German philosopher.

Let me tell you what you can do and which is far more logical. What you can do is put emphasis on Arabic and make it the main language of instruction and put emphasis on Arabic and Somali. Arabic and Somali should be made into core subjects and a main part of schooling in which students are exposed to Somali and Arabic literature and are rigorously tested on it. Languages like English, French and Mandarin can be taught, but they can be relegated to elective status (not a core subject), in which not passing doesn’t mean you don’t meet the graduation requirements. However, we should encourage Somalis to learn various languages as that will strengthen our ability to trade and will open up more jobs for Somalis as the world has become not only globalized but also a digital one.

 

[World]

Maybe the Chinese can do something like that but definitely not the muslim world let alone 3rd world somalia.

 

[Prince of HS]

Bad decision for a country like Somalia. We need our population understanding and speaking English. In fact I would even want the language to be more widespread

 

[Lebron James]

So you are ok with the ongoing Englishization of the world but Arabization is where you draw the line sow maaha. You are probably a Cadaan or Xabeshi troll, deffo not Somali.

Definitely English is way more beneficial than Arabic in this world it’s simple. What use does that language bring to me ?

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[Omar del Sur]

@Abu Ash’ari

It’s this low-IQ mentality and having individuals like that running rampant which causes havoc in the Muslim community.

OP is not being low-IQ. His whole thing here is a direct attack against Western influence. Whether it's the Mad Mullah, Mau Mau, Fidel Castro, Mao Zedong- the people that get mixed in with this kind of thing are no dummies. Now obviously, if you are on the side of the colonialist power, you will despise these types- but they will tend to be the more intelligent elements among their population.

You have acknowledged before that you have studied feminist theory that was developed by non-Muslims. I think it is an objective fact that your views and also I think your interpretation of Islam is influenced by Western feminist ideology.

Of course people who are into feminism and liberalism will not be the ones to support an anti-colonial movement against Westernization. Those ideologies are sponsored by the West just like how Soviets sponsored Marxism, Ottomans promoted Sufism, Saudis promoted Salafiyyah, etc.

@Abu Ash’ari

The rise of the Totalitarian Akh-right Muslim boys really need to be studied. The conscious dissonance is incredibly interesting. You abhor Westernization, but want to take the worst aspects and theories created in the West. Ultimately, it’s still a form of Western political ideology that has never been utilized in Islamic history.

Islam isn’t totalitarian. That is a Western concept. You cannot ban the learning of languages and ban education. Totalitarianism is a kufri ideology which says the government should have unlimited control over society to reshape it into a particular ideal. It goes back to Ancient Greeks with the writings of Plato and in more recent times by Hagel a German philosopher.

On the subject of totalitarianism, I don't think totalitarianism is really a Western thing. Look at Firaun and how he had a genocide of Jewish male babies. If you look at Aztec, Chinese or Japanese civilization, I think they had totalitarian states. I would imagine Firaun must have been running his state like North Korea for him to have held the kind of power he held.

But anyways... the whole argument here does not work


1 OP wants to ban English
2 Banning languages is totalitarianism
3 Totalitarianism is a Western kufri ideology
4 therefore OP is wrong

but OP specifically said I think on page 2 that he isn't advocating banning English. the entire set of reasoning is built on a false premise. and it is perfectly in line with Islam to want to reduce Western and English-language influence.

when you share a language with another country, you become more susceptible to their influence. but anyways, that's enough of my own reasoning;

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen:

"Our view on learning English is that it is a means and it is a bad menans if the aim is bad. But the one thing that we must avoid is using it instead of Arabic. That is not permitted. We have heard some foolish people speaking English instead of Arabic, and some of the foolish people who are dazzled by the west, whom I regard as lackeys (of the west), teaching their children to use the greetings of the non-Muslims, and teaching them to say “bye-bye” when departing, and so on.

Because using this language instead of Arabic, which is the language of the Qur’aan and the noblest of languages, is haraam. It was narrated that the salaf forbade speaking in the tongues of the non-Arabs."

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/22044/learning-english-for-the-purpose-of-dawah

"And Sheikh Muhammad Al-Saleh Al-Othaymeen , may God have mercy on him, said on this subject: A Muslim should not speak in a language other than Arabic unless there is a need for that, such as if something is known by its non-Arabic name, or that the one being addressed does not understand Arabic except a little, then this is okay. If a person is an Arab and this thing that he talked about has a name in the Arabic language, then he should not come up with anything else from other languages, because the best, most complete and best language is the Arabic language, and for this reason the Qur’an was revealed in the Arabic language and it is the best of the books that God revealed to His Messenger, and it was Also, the tongue of the last prophets and their seal, Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, is the Arabic tongue, which is clear evidence of the virtue of the Arabic language."

حكم تعليم اللغة الإنجليزية

تعلم اللغة الإنجليزية لأبناء المسلمين جائز إذا دعت الحاجة، كما ورد في الأحاديث النبوية. الأصل هو تعلم اللغة العربية، فهي أفضل اللغات وأعلى فضيلة، وقد نزل القرآن بها. يُستحسن تعلم اللغات الأخرى عندما يتطلب الأمر، مثل التواصل أو فهم المعلومات. يعتبر تعلم الإنجليزية مباحاً وقد يصبح فرض كفاية إذا...

www.islamweb.net

I want to draw attention to something Sheikh Uthaymeen said: "It was narrated that the salaf forbade speaking in the tongues of the non-Arabs."

so will you assert that the salaf were following "Western totalitarian ideology"?

 

[niggaibnh]

Why can’t we learn both Arabic and English ?
both language it’s gonna benefit us in religion and academia wise.

I myself prefer the Somali script to be in Arabic but English one of the major language in Somalia as well

 

[Angelina]

OP is not being low-IQ. His whole thing here is a direct attack against Western influence. Whether it's the Mad Mullah, Mau Mau, Fidel Castro, Mao Zedong- the people that get mixed in with this kind of thing are no dummies. Now obviously, if you are on the side of the colonialist power, you will despise these types- but they will tend to be the more intelligent elements among their population.

I’m calling this Alt-right Muslim men low iQ simply because they lament everything Western whilst engaging in well known Western ideologies that have not been implemented in Islamic societies. Yet, at the same time they point the finger at anything they deem as Western even if it doesn’t go against the Sharia….. whilst engaging in well, Western ideology loool.

Post Colonialism theory…hmmm how very Western. In fact, I did a whole module on that. Ah yes, Marxism invented by a Western Jew Karl Marx and Engels.

And disagreeing that English needs to be banned means I’m pro colonization? Despite the fact that I came up with a logical way in which Arabic and Somali can be the dominant lang which I don’t disagree with.

You have acknowledged before that you have studied feminist theory that was developed by non-Muslims. I think it is an objective fact that your views and also I think your interpretation of Islam is influenced by Western feminist ideology.

You have acknowledged before that you have studied feminist theory that was developed by non-Muslims. I think it is an objective fact that your views and also I think your interpretation of Islam is influenced by Western feminist ideology.

If it is an objective fact that my Islamic views are clouded by feminism, you’ll find proof in which I say or posts things that are contrary to Islamic law. But you can’t.

This is what happens when misogyny clouds you. Even the idea of women being educated is being brushed as ‘feminist’. If you want to go down that route, we could easily argue women even having the right to inheritance or wealth, or the rights not to be forced into marriage as ‘feminist’. Where will this end?

We’ve reached a point in which arguing for basic human rights that aren’t even haram in the Sharia is seen as feminist. Yet, I hardly ever see you talking about how many men that are clearly influenced by redpill manosphere ideology as they try to ban things that the Sharia simply doesn’t.

Actually check your bias. If someone comes up with an argument similar to Marxism, totalitarianism or facism you have no issues, but anyone advocating for women is automatically influenced by ‘feminism’. You’re not fooling anyone.

Of course people who are into feminism and liberalism will not be the ones to support an anti-colonial movement against Westernization. Those ideologies are sponsored by the West just like how Soviets sponsored Marxism, Ottomans promoted Sufism, Saudis promoted Salafiyyah, etc.

Show me proof that what I peddle is against the deen?

On the subject of totalitarianism, I don't think totalitarianism is really a Western thing. Look at Firaun and how he had a genocide of Jewish male babies. If you look at Aztec, Chinese or Japanese civilization, I think they had totalitarian states. I would imagine Firaun must have been running his state like North Korea for him to have held the kind of power he held.

It is and it is a Kufr ideology and that has never been implemented in Islamic societies. Banning the halal to shape society isn’t the norm and you know it.

But anyways... the whole argument here does not work


1 OP wants to ban English
2 Banning languages is totalitarianism
3 Totalitarianism is a Western kufri ideology
4 therefore OP is wrong

but OP specifically said I think on page 2 that he isn't advocating banning English. the entire set of reasoning is built on a false premise. and it is perfectly in line with Islam to want to reduce Western and English-language influence.

He said it on the first page. Not the original post. If he didn’t say that I wouldn’t even have replied to this thread. You see centering Arabic and Somali is smart and there is nothing wrong with that. Who are people to ban? What’s next? Going to people’s home and banning any English content?

when you share a language with another country, you become more susceptible to their influence. but anyways, that's enough of my own reasoning;

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen:

"Our view on learning English is that it is a means and it is a bad menans if the aim is bad. But the one thing that we must avoid is using it instead of Arabic. That is not permitted. We have heard some foolish people speaking English instead of Arabic, and some of the foolish people who are dazzled by the west, whom I regard as lackeys (of the west), teaching their children to use the greetings of the non-Muslims, and teaching them to say “bye-bye” when departing, and so on.

Because using this language instead of Arabic, which is the language of the Qur’aan and the noblest of languages, is haraam. It was narrated that the salaf forbade speaking in the tongues of the non-Arabs."

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/22044/learning-english-for-the-purpose-of-dawah

"And Sheikh Muhammad Al-Saleh Al-Othaymeen , may God have mercy on him, said on this subject: A Muslim should not speak in a language other than Arabic unless there is a need for that, such as if something is known by its non-Arabic name, or that the one being addressed does not understand Arabic except a little, then this is okay. If a person is an Arab and this thing that he talked about has a name in the Arabic language, then he should not come up with anything else from other languages, because the best, most complete and best language is the Arabic language, and for this reason the Qur’an was revealed in the Arabic language and it is the best of the books that God revealed to His Messenger, and it was Also, the tongue of the last prophets and their seal, Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, is the Arabic tongue, which is clear evidence of the virtue of the Arabic language."

حكم تعليم اللغة الإنجليزية

تعلم اللغة الإنجليزية لأبناء المسلمين جائز إذا دعت الحاجة، كما ورد في الأحاديث النبوية. الأصل هو تعلم اللغة العربية، فهي أفضل اللغات وأعلى فضيلة، وقد نزل القرآن بها. يُستحسن تعلم اللغات الأخرى عندما يتطلب الأمر، مثل التواصل أو فهم المعلومات. يعتبر تعلم الإنجليزية مباحاً وقد يصبح فرض كفاية إذا...

www.islamweb.net

I want to draw attention to something Sheikh Uthaymeen said: "It was narrated that the salaf forbade speaking in the tongues of the non-Arabs."

so will you assert that the salaf were following "Western totalitarian ideology"?

Forbade in what sense? Talking to each other or learning to talk to foreigners? There is a difference. My parents banned us from speaking English in the house so that we don’t forget how to speak Somali. But learning it and obviously communicating with non Somalis in English is essential.

Also, did they forbid it on a state level? That is the key difference and that is what I mean when it comes to totalitarian ideology and unless you have proof they banned it on a state level, you’ve missed the whole point. I’ll reiterate my point: Totalitarian is a kufri ideology which says the government should have unlimited control over society to reshape it into a particular ideal. We’re talking about on a mass government level and such a thing didn’t happen. Dictating who can learn what, or what they can learn despite being halal isn’t a thing. What’s next?

 

[Omar del Sur]

"The rise of the Totalitarian Akh-right Muslim boys really need to be studied."

this is just something else that really bothers me... according to the logic in the post- the salaf would have been "Totalitarian Akh-right Muslim boys"-

"It was narrated that the salaf forbade speaking in the tongues of the non-Arabs."- Sheikh Uthaymeen

it's disturbing but this kind of thing has happened before I believe in places where the Shia took over and persecuted Sunnis. you as a Sunni have never had the slightest ill will against Ali or the Ahlul Bayt but you wake up one day and some Shia is accusing you of being an enemy of Ali, Fatima and the Ahlul Bayt... some weird accusation...

you could just be some ordinary Muslim studying Islam and holding some view that is a standard traditional view- and suddenly- you're a "wahhabi," you're "totalitarian akh-right Muslim boy" or some other weird accusation

this kind of thing is exactly why OP is right to oppose English. you let the Western influence in and suddenly you're being attacked just for holding ordinary traditional views. if you let Western influence have its way, it will get to the point where you get persecuted just for wanting to hold traditional views. you will have to change all sorts of rulings or be persecuted

-no opposing Westernization or Western culture, you will have to accept Western domination over your mind itself and even over how you're allowed to interpret your religion
-what you're allowed to believe in regards to women will be dictated to you by militant feminists, these feminists will have more authority than the Quran itself
-you have to be pro-lgbt and in fact it will get to a point where you are expected to parrot an interpretation of Islam where being pro-lgbt is a good deed if not a wajib duty upon every Muslim

etc. etc...

in other words, the more power the pro-Western elements have- they will try to pressure you into not following the actual, real authentic Islam and try to pressure you into accepting a fake version of Islam

the feminists and liberals will always act as shills for the West. look at the big liberal posters on here and you'll see they're also the big standers-with-Ukraine. they support Western domination because the West backs their ideology. they are paving the way for garbage like rainbow flags in mosques and they are ok with it because it benefits their aims.

therefore, one can and should oppose Western influence and this is the right stance even if a thousand online accounts try to pressure you into adopting a pro-Western stance. for all one knows, these anonymous pro-Western posts could be directly funded by the CIA.

 

[JaredAbdullahiKushner2000]

I’m all about dismantling the influence and soft power of Westernization/Secularism in the Muslim world and I think one of the most effective means of doing so is by banning the English (or any Western language) language from being taught in our countries. I cringe when I hear some stories about local Somalis who were born and raised back home insult other Somalis who were born and raised back home but do not speak English. If we adopt their culture (which includes language) then it creates an inferiority complex in many Muslims who will seek to imitate Westerners in dress, customs and of course, attitudes and beliefs which run contrary to Islamic values and beliefs. European armies might have pulled their armies out of many Muslim countries and granted them “independence” but there’s even a worst plague that’s worst than military colonialism, it is the colonialism of the mind.

The English language is not necessary to teach in Muslim countries. All the scientific, philosophical and necessary knowledge that is produced in the English language should be translated in Somali and especially Arabic Fusha (classical/modern standard Arabic).

Fusha Arabic (Classical/modern standard Arabic) should be the lingua franca of every Muslim just like Hebrew is the lingua franca of every Jew. The Arabic language is a symbol of Islam and it should be prioritized over every other foreign language.

Again you speaking bullshit. Instead of sharing the noble words of the scholars. Here is what Shaykh Uthaymeen who himself wanted to learn english for dawah purpose have to say.

Note: I don't generally promote this page but they do qoute the scholars. Take it if they use the right sources, leave it if they qoute deviants. Their french version qouted some kharijis and the site was founded by an Ikhwaani. So just be careful.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/22044/learning-english-for-the-purpose-of-dawah

 

[Angelina]

"The rise of the Totalitarian Akh-right Muslim boys really need to be studied."

this is just something else that really bothers me... according to the logic in the post- the salaf would have been "Totalitarian Akh-right Muslim boys"-

"It was narrated that the salaf forbade speaking in the tongues of the non-Arabs."- Sheikh Uthaymeen

Where is your proof that in Islamic history the halal was banned on a mass scale? Even in the fatwa Uthaymeen was specifically talking about people that do not speak Arabic to each other and replacing it with another language. He literally says:

But the one thing that we must avoid is using it instead of Arabic. That is not permitted.

He is not talking about banning the learning of a language. How dare you twist the fatwa?

My own father banned English when we were at home to learn Somali, obviously that is very different to banning it on a state level. What’s next going into peoples homes to make sure they’re not listening to English?

it's disturbing but this kind of thing has happened before I believe in places where the Shia took over and persecuted Sunnis. you as a Sunni have never had the slightest ill will against Ali or the Ahlul Bayt but you wake up one day and some Shia is accusing you of being an enemy of Ali, Fatima and the Ahlul Bayt... some weird accusation...

You’re going off on an irrational rant now and that is because you can’t logically argue your point properly.

you could just be some ordinary Muslim studying Islam and holding some view that is a standard traditional view- and suddenly- you're a "wahhabi," you're "totalitarian akh-right Muslim boy" or some other weird accusation

No way, is it a standard traditional view to ban the learning of language or any learning tbh. You tried it.

this kind of thing is exactly why OP is right to oppose English. you let the Western influence in and suddenly you're being attacked just for holding ordinary traditional views. if you let Western influence have its way, it will get to the point where you get persecuted just for wanting to hold traditional views. you will have to change all sorts of rulings or be persecuted

You too have been infected my Westernizion that is the irony of the whole situation. That view wasn’t traditional whatsoever.

-no opposing Westernization or Western culture, you will have to accept Western domination over your mind itself and even over how you're allowed to interpret your religion

No one is saying that.

-what you're allowed to believe in regards to women will be dictated to you by militant feminists, these feminists will have more authority than the Quran itself

Show me where I have ever advocated for views that go against the deen with regards to women? Show me. At this point you’re a slanderer.

-you have to be pro-lgbt and in fact it will get to a point where you are expected to parrot an interpretation of Islam where being pro-lgbt is a good deed if not a wajib duty upon every Muslim

Are you accusing me of being pro-LGTB?! Go on, let’s see how illogical your rant is.

etc. etc...

in other words, the more power the pro-Western elements have- they will try to pressure you into not following the actual, real authentic Islam and try to pressure you into accepting a fake version of Islam

the feminists and liberals will always act as shills for the West. look at the big liberal posters on here and you'll see they're also the big standers-with-Ukraine. they support Western domination because the West backs their ideology. they are paving the way for garbage like rainbow flags in mosques and they are ok with it because it benefits their aims.

therefore, one can and should oppose Western influence and this is the right stance even if a thousand online accounts try to pressure you into adopting a pro-Western stance. for all one knows, these anonymous pro-Western posts could be directly funded by the CIA.

Learning a language isn’t pro-Westernization. The extreme way you look at the world is what leads you to this. How about you put more money, money funding into Arabic and Somali and simply make it a core subject in which students have to pass and then make other languages optional? That works because then it makes Somali and Arabic important in the psyche of students. Banning is absolutely draconian

 

[JaredAbdullahiKushner2000]

"The rise of the Totalitarian Akh-right Muslim boys really need to be studied."

this is just something else that really bothers me... according to the logic in the post- the salaf would have been "Totalitarian Akh-right Muslim boys"-

"It was narrated that the salaf forbade speaking in the tongues of the non-Arabs."- Sheikh Uthaymeen

it's disturbing but this kind of thing has happened before I believe in places where the Shia took over and persecuted Sunnis. you as a Sunni have never had the slightest ill will against Ali or the Ahlul Bayt but you wake up one day and some Shia is accusing you of being an enemy of Ali, Fatima and the Ahlul Bayt... some weird accusation...

you could just be some ordinary Muslim studying Islam and holding some view that is a standard traditional view- and suddenly- you're a "wahhabi," you're "totalitarian akh-right Muslim boy" or some other weird accusation

this kind of thing is exactly why OP is right to oppose English. you let the Western influence in and suddenly you're being attacked just for holding ordinary traditional views. if you let Western influence have its way, it will get to the point where you get persecuted just for wanting to hold traditional views. you will have to change all sorts of rulings or be persecuted

-no opposing Westernization or Western culture, you will have to accept Western domination over your mind itself and even over how you're allowed to interpret your religion
-what you're allowed to believe in regards to women will be dictated to you by militant feminists, these feminists will have more authority than the Quran itself
-you have to be pro-lgbt and in fact it will get to a point where you are expected to parrot an interpretation of Islam where being pro-lgbt is a good deed if not a wajib duty upon every Muslim

etc. etc...

in other words, the more power the pro-Western elements have- they will try to pressure you into not following the actual, real authentic Islam and try to pressure you into accepting a fake version of Islam

the feminists and liberals will always act as shills for the West. look at the big liberal posters on here and you'll see they're also the big standers-with-Ukraine. they support Western domination because the West backs their ideology. they are paving the way for garbage like rainbow flags in mosques and they are ok with it because it benefits their aims.

therefore, one can and should oppose Western influence and this is the right stance even if a thousand online accounts try to pressure you into adopting a pro-Western stance. for all one knows, these anonymous pro-Western posts could be directly funded by the CIA.

He should have clarified that learning the language of the kuffar for dawah purpose is good. Its all about the intention.

 

[Angelina]

@Omar del Sur

Unless you have actual proof of me posting something that is clearly unIslamic with regards to women or promoting haram with regards to the deen, then you’re a clear cut slanderer.

This is the issues with those that have disdain for women, anyone that advocates for women or thinks about what benefits women even if it doesn’t go against the deen is branded ‘feminist’, yet clear manosphere talking points and ideologies is paraded. Authobillah. The hypocrisy is clear to see.

 

[Nilotic]

Because using this language instead of Arabic, which is the language of the Qur’aan and the noblest of languages, is haraam. It was narrated that the salaf forbade speaking in the tongues of the non-Arabs."



"And Sheikh Muhammad Al-Saleh Al-Othaymeen , may God have mercy on him, said on this subject: A Muslim should not speak in a language other than Arabic unless there is a need for that, such as if something is known by its non-Arabic name, or that the one being addressed does not understand Arabic except a little, then this is okay.

If a person is an Arab and this thing that he talked about has a name in the Arabic language, then he should not come up with anything else from other languages, because the best, most complete and best language is the Arabic language, and for this reason the Qur’an was revealed in the Arabic language and it is the best of the books that God revealed to His Messenger, and it was Also, the tongue of the last prophets and their seal, Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, is the Arabic tongue, which is clear evidence of the virtue of the Arabic language."

All of that is nothing but Arab supremacy dressed up in religious rhetoric

 

[Angelina]

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All of that is nothing but Arab supremacy dressed up in religious rhetoric

Hence when the early Muslims went to live in Syria and Egypt, where the people spoke Byzantine Greek, and in Iraq and Khurasaan, where the people spoke Farsi, and the Maghrib (North Africa) where the people spoke Berber, they taught the people of those countries to speak Arabic, so that Arabic became the prevalent language in those lands, and all the people, Muslim and kaafir alike, spoke Arabic. Such was also the case in Khurasaan in the past, then they became lax with regard to the language and got used to speaking Farsi until it became prevalent and Arabic was forgotten by most of them. Undoubtedly this is makrooh.

https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/4839

I have no problem with Arabic being a superior language, but how does that fit into Abu Ash’ari point about putting Somali on a pedestal.

According to this scholar, even putting the Somali language on a pedestal is a mistake. Berber, Farsi ect should not be encouraged, so what makes Somali different?

 

[Omar del Sur]

I’m calling this Alt-right Muslim men low iQ simply because they lament everything Western whilst engaging in well known Western ideologies that have not been implemented in Islamic societies. Yet, at the same time they point the finger at anything they deem as Western even if it doesn’t go against the Sharia….. whilst engaging in well, Western ideology loool.

Post Colonialism theory…hmmm how very Western. In fact, I did a whole module on that. Ah yes, Marxism invented by a Western Jew Karl Marx and Engels.

How can Muslim men be alt-right? Alt-right is an ideology that calls for white ethnostates to combat the alleged "great replacement" of whites. Is OP calling for expelling immigrants to combat "ethnic replacement" of whites? Alt-right is a variety of white nationalism and most Muslims aren't white.

Post Colonialism theory…hmmm how very Western. In fact, I did a whole module on that. Ah yes, Marxism invented by a Western Jew Karl Marx and Engels.

you might have done a module on "post colonialism theory" but I never have and I don't know what "post colonialism theory" is. I am opposed to Western domination. This has nothing to do with Karl Marx or Western philosophy. I don't care about either of those things.

I can promise you, when Saladin fought the Crusaders it wasn't due to "post colonialism theory" and when my predecessors fought Spanish, French and US invasions it was not due to "post colonialism theory" or Marxism. You will not understand because you don't understand my historical context or the world I'm coming from but I am not under the influence of Western philosophy and certainly not of Karl Marx. Anyone who knows my political views knows that I am very staunchly anti-communist.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Omar del Sur

Unless you have actual proof of me posting something that is clearly unIslamic with regards to women or promoting haram with regards to the deen, then you’re a clear cut slanderer.

This is the issues with those that have disdain for women, anyone that advocates for women or thinks about what benefits women even if it doesn’t go against the deen is branded ‘feminist’, yet clear manosphere talking points and ideologies is paraded. Authobillah. The hypocrisy is clear to see.

you straight up told me you were consuming material by non-Muslim feminists.

 

[Omar del Sur]

It is and it is a Kufr ideology and that has never been implemented in Islamic societies. Banning the halal to shape society isn’t the norm and you know it.

I didn't say I'm for totalitarianism. I just think totalitarian societies are not specifically Western.

 

[Angelina]

you straight up told me you were consuming material by non-Muslim feminists.

consume? You mean read, similarly to how I even read the communist manifesto and works by Engles. I like reading heavy materials. I even read historical books.
I’ve always been cerebral and read theories ect.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Where is your proof that in Islamic history the halal was banned on a mass scale? Even in the fatwa Uthaymeen was specifically talking about people that do not speak Arabic to each other and replacing it with another language. He literally says:

But the one thing that we must avoid is using it instead of Arabic. That is not permitted.

He is not talking about banning the learning of a language. How dare you twist the fatwa?

I think you are attributing something to me falsely. I did not say Sheikh Uthaymeen advocated banning English. I simply quoted his words and let him speak for himself.

He did say though: "It was narrated that the salaf forbade speaking in the tongues of the non-Arabs.". So it's not an unacceptable view to be opposed to English.

Also I don't think anyone here is talking about using the power of the state to ban English in the sense of things like arresting people for using English. OP specifically said he wasn't talking about that.

 

[Omar del Sur]

consume? You mean read, similarly to how I even read the communist manifesto and works by Engles. I like reading heavy materials. I even read historical books.
I’ve always been cerebral and read theories ect.

you read the Communist Manifesto??? and Engels?

well that is cool that you read. what are some interesting books you've read?

I don't like stuff like the Communist Manifesto but I do read books by non-Muslim authors myself so I feel it would be wrong to make a big issue. although personally I hate the Communist Manifesto because it is so inherently opposed to Islam.

anyways, I would not be against someone talking about women's rights from an Islamic standpoint and being concerned with women's issues. that's not a problem. but I have read some of your posts and felt that it was influenced by feminist ideology rather than from a purely Islamic basis. wallahi I don't object to looking at women's rights from an Islamic basis. and if you really are looking at things from a purely Islamic standpoint then may Allah grant success to your endeavor.

however I do feel that some of the stuff has not been in line with Islam and that is what has bothered me.