Ethiopia to dismantle regional special forces in favour of 'centralized army'

[Jugle]

I think it has to do with the gov't monopolizing all security apparatus in the long run, then the actual forces being removed per se.

Now that we have state forces, it was/is easy to hide militias behind them and use them during conflict areas since every region are already armed and hard to distinguish. If they are removed, certain border communities will be f*cked as they won't be able to defend themselves. This applies to armed local people too, who have to fend for themselves if they get targeted. The gov't have tried disarm them before, but failed. This will be the next step, watch out!

Since Afar and Oromos has closer ties with the military establishment, they will most likely be superior to us if we get attacked by neighboring regions. i

I kind knew. This was Inevitable. Instead of trying to hold on to the liyu we should’ve had a say in the centre. Like the military and the sirdoon and policy making in the country we’re already nijaas why stay out of it
That’s why we’re paying the price now

 

[Somali Saayid]

Don't you also have communities of your kin, living in Ethiopia? You forget about them in you calculations. Or don't they matter to you?

nope all my family are either in Somalia proper or are living in Nairobi or Qurbajoog in the UK n Columbus OH.

 

[GaradShabeel]

I kind knew. This was Inevitable. Instead of trying to hold on to the liyu we should’ve had a say in the centre. Like the military and the sirdoon and policy making in the country we’re already nijaas why stay out of it
That’s why we’re paying the price now

I don't think it will happen unless we buy into the whole 'Ethiopianist' concept, and lay ourselves flat to whatever the agenda of the current ruler in Addis.

It's the same reason Somalis in Ethiopia don't take the route of Somalis in Kenya. If we actually go to the length as wished by the central gov't, they still will *never* give us the same rights and treatment as other. The focus will always be the expansionist agenda. You only have to look at the history of the country to see for yourself.

I, myself, will never give up on giving away our autonomy and independence (despite being relative) to Addis, irrespective of what it takes. I’m surprised at the people cheerleading on this measure, as they will come for more in the future. Not that we can make any change, even if we expressed contrary viewpoints. But this attitude won't take us anywhere.

 

[SPMLegend]

From Nasrullah to ONLF they celebrated our downfall but Ogaden still remains the dominant factor in the region. The removal of Liyuu only affects the poor people in Sitti region who have no defense to protect them against an Endf allied Afar milita. Why do people assume that Liyuu Boolis is the only armed Ogaden group in the region? We have seen how armed the nomads in Afdheer & Bakool region are when AS tried to attack the borders.

 

[LL247]

A stand alone local army, manned by mostly jabertis used at whim of the Somali State President who have all most always been Jabertis. An army which has been used internally to quash and kill civilian populations with impunity and to even infiltrate and attack Somalia Proper and Somaliland is good news for jabertis.

Man i have never ever seen a jaberti accept their Ls with grace. This is a big loss for Jaberties leadership in Somali State in Ethiopia if it comes to fruition as planned.

 

[SPMLegend]

Lying in Ramadan to cope, fear Allah. It applies to all regional states according to the best source in Ethiopia, Addis standard.

Amharas are protesting and saying we won’t disarm. They don’t trust the Oromos and believe Abiye favors the Oromos more. Oromos want other ethnicities to disarm except their own. Tigray is also not disarmed. It’s true that they turned over all their heavy weapons and tanks but they still have a sizable army and weapon reserves that can be considered a Liyu force.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

A stand alone local army, manned by mostly jabertis used at whim of the Somali State President who have all most always been Jabertis. An army which has been used internally to quash and kill civilian populations with impunity and to even infiltrate and attack Somalia Proper and Somaliland is good news for jabertis.

Man i have never ever seen a jaberti accept their Ls with grace. This is a big loss for Jaberties leadership in Somali State in Ethiopia if it comes to fruition as planned.

With or without having the liyu police or the regional president OG will always be the only clan that will pick up the gun against Ethiopia. Mark my words if we are not in power we are fighting the xabashi. No other somali will dare to pick up the gun against the xabshi even if they get massacred.

 

[GaradShabeel]

nope all my family are either in Somalia proper or are living in Nairobi or Qurbajoog in the UK n Columbus OH.

I meant your clan living in Ethiopia

 

[Somali Saayid]

I meant your clan living in Ethiopia

In that case we are free to fight whomever without state police coming in to intervene. The only thing I don't like is the Afar and the Oromo still on the border but other than that, I'm good!

 

[GaradShabeel]

With or without having the liyu police or the regional president OG will always be the only clan that will pick up the gun against Ethiopia. Mark my words if we are not in power we are fighting the xabashi. No other somali will dare to pick up the gun against the xabshi even if they get massacred.

I'm not sure about the bolded part. There've always been Somalis of all clans fighting against Ethiopia/Xabashis. Some clans in higher numbers (like your clan) and others in smaller number.

But I don't think it takes away the fact that these people won't fight back if massacred, as evident in the last 10 years. Even if they don't succeed to repel attacks, most people use whatever capabilities they have and fight as much as possible. Unfortunately for some, it's not enough and have to lay flat to their oppressors.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

I'm not sure about the bolded part. There've always been Somalis of all clans fighting against Ethiopia/Xabashis. Some clan in higher numbers (like your clan) and others in smaller number.

But I don't think it takes away the fact that these people won't fight back if massacred, as evident in the last 10 years. Even if they don't succeed to repel attacks, most people use whatever capabilities they have and fight as much as possible. Unfortunately for some, it's not enough, and have to lay flat to their oppressors.

Ciise and Geri both fight afar and oromo militia but No other clan has fought Ethiopian federal forces since the 90s at least not to my knowledge.

 

[GaradShabeel]

Ciise and Geri both fight afar and oromo militia but No other clan has fought Ethiopian federal forces since the 90s at least not to my knowledge.

You're correct if you're referring to post-'90, as ONLF have been the only major organized force engaging in the armed struggle. But even within ONLF, despite having Absame majority, there were other clans present there. Ultimately since OG are the majority clan within ONLF, you've contributed the most. No one will take that away. And it's very much appreciated by many non-OG clans in DDS in the quest of becoming free from Xabashi rule.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

You're correct if you're referring to post 90s, as ONLF have been the major one engaging in the armed struggle. But even within ONLF, despite having Absame majority, there were other clans present there. Ultimately, since OG are the majority clan, you've also contributed the most. No one will take that away.

I agree with you the struggle had some somali brothers from different clans, a minority but nonetheless can not be hidden. The brunt of the killings and revenge from Ethiopian forces always came for the Absame that’s why I said no other clan has taken arms against Ethiopia because when Absame takes up arms they’re ready to sacrifice with their whole villages and towns massacred.

 

[GaradShabeel]

I agree with you the struggle had some somali brothers from different clans, a minority but nonetheless can not be hidden. The brunt of the killings and revenge from Ethiopian forces always came for the Absame that’s why I said no other clan has taken arms against Ethiopia because when Absame takes up arms they’re ready to sacrifice with their whole villages and towns massacred.

Agreed. OG/Absame are mujahideens and willing to fight like no others, and it's no secret who've suffered the most as well. Even as Liyuu was created solely to combat you guys.

Hopefully you won't have to sacrifice more lives to fend off against Xabashis

 

[Bowda-dheer]

Agreed. OG are mujahideens and willing to fight like no others, and it's no secret who've suffered the most. Even as Liyuu was created solely to combat you guys.

Hopefully we won't have to sacrifice more lives to fend off against Xabashis

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I feel the pain of the somali clans bordering oromo like Geri, guure, gurgure and karanle. When OG are fighting xabashi the federal government gives the oromo green light enroach on you guys. I feel like we are inter connected whatever moves we make effects you guys as well.

 

[GaradShabeel]

I feel the pain of the somali clans bordering oromo like Geri, guure, gurgure and karanle. When OG are fighting xabashi the federal government gives the oromo green light enroach on you guys. I feel like we are inter connected whatever moves we make effects you guys as well.

Yup, the fight against Somalis have always been a multi-front one. It's a fight against the Somali state, as well as our entire western border. They've even gotten more creative, as they tend to use militias and other methods without fully being able to blame the fed/reg'l gov'ts.

In our region, it's more of Oromia the state than the clan living next to us. Whenever fighting happens, it's not like they are taking our land. But when Oromia decides to act upon anything on our land, we can't do much about it. Which is the rot cause of our problems.

Some of our causes are more highlighted than others. For instance, I oftentimes hear about how the situation for Hararis with regards to Oromo officials are treating them and evicting them from their land. To my 'surprise' the Hawiyes in Haraghe went through the same, and still facing those problems today, which isn't talked about. Things doesn't really look good for us in this country.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

Yup, the fight against Somalis have always been a multi-front one. It's a fight against the Somali state, as well as our entire western border. They've even gotten more creative, as they tend to use militias and other methods without fully being able to blame the fed/reg'l gov'ts.

In our region, it's more of Oromia the state than the clan living next to us. Whenever fighting happens, it's not like they are taking our land. But when Oromia decides to act upon anything on our land, we can't do much about it. Which is the rot cause of our problems.

Some of our causes are more highlighted than others. For instance, I oftentimes hear about how the situation for Hararis with regards to Oromo officials are treating them and evicting them from their land. To my 'surprise' the Hawiyes in Haraghe went through the same, and still facing those problems today, which isn't talked about. Things doesn't really look good for us in this country.

Alxm if other clans are not backstabbing you guys and it’s only the oromo. The faafan clans are more settled and into farming unlike the ones we border from jarar qoraxay to afdheer they’re all nomads hungry for the greener lands.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

A stand alone local army, manned by mostly jabertis used at whim of the Somali State President who have all most always been Jabertis. An army which has been used internally to quash and kill civilian populations with impunity and to even infiltrate and attack Somalia Proper and Somaliland is good news for jabertis.

Man i have never ever seen a jaberti accept their Ls with grace. This is a big loss for Jaberties leadership in Somali State in Ethiopia if it comes to fruition as planned.

the civilians killed were mostly Jaberti. the fact you think Liyu is a army and not bunch mercs is kinda pathetic.