Ethiopian messing with Adal's Wikipedia page. Removing somalis

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

If he gets reported, Wikipedia can permanently ban his IP address for trolling.

It's not just him wallahi It's an epidemic https://www.somalispot.com/threads/ethiopians-sabotaging-mogadishu-history.144490/

 

[Keep it a boqol]

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[Shaafici Mujaahid]

Wallahi these raisin headed fools need to be taught a lesson.

 

[silentshimbir]

It has to be fard upon every memeber of this site, to make edits to wikipedia, against these habash narrative they are pushing onto somali pages

 

[ImanStan001]

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They are obsessed with Ethiopians but claim Ethiopians are obsessed with Somalis.

you both are low IQ idiots how are ethiopians editing Somali history and lay claim to Somali land
i swear we’re not always the villains FOH

 

[Shimbiris]

Walaalo, I got a little too heated due to this thread and fired all the Xabashis working at my barbershop in Bosaso. Wallahi, I was wrong. They were not even Xabash but Oromo but... I needed to hurt someone, you know?

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[Hamzza]

We have to flex our muscles

 

[Khaem]

It has to be fard upon every memeber of this site, to make edits to wikipedia, against these habash narrative they are pushing onto somali pages

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[Sheikh Kulkuli]

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Shewa kingdom starts with that nappy haired jigger infested jiga boo called menelik who they claim was probably under the closet LGBTQ "emporer" whith his colorful gay pride flag which amhara wave in rallies.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Somalis were in fact a minority in the Adal sultanate. The Ifat/Adal sultanate were established by ethio-semitic Muslims. Imam Ahmed was harari and born in hubat. He struggled to get the nomadic Somalis to join his campaigns against the Solomonic dynasty. As a matter of fact he had to use brutal force to get the Somalis to join him. This is well documented in the futush al habesh book. Somalis had nothing to do with the establishment of the Adal/Ifat sultanate. Wallahi I cringe when I see Somalis involving themselves in a 15th century conflict they had nothing to do with.

Ileen @HabarSteven12 is an ajanabi it all makes sense because no Somali would say what you just said

 

[Shimbiris]

Somalis were in fact a minority in the Adal sultanate. The Ifat/Adal sultanate were established by ethio-semitic Muslims. Imam Ahmed was harari and born in hubat. He struggled to get the nomadic Somalis to join his campaigns against the Solomonic dynasty. As a matter of fact he had to use brutal force to get the Somalis to join him. This is well documented in the futush al habesh book. Somalis had nothing to do with the establishment of the Adal/Ifat sultanate. Wallahi I cringe when I see Somalis involving themselves in a 15th century conflict they had nothing to do with.

You are a genuinely dishonest person. Even if we ignore the historical work done on the Futuh and the other documents we have from around that time and in the centuries following from places like Harar and ignore the "Balaw" stuff it's a complete and utter lie to say that Somalis were a minority and had nothing to do with the conflict.

First of all, one of the closest people to the Imam, his right-hand, was his brother-in-law Mattan who was of the Geri Kombe and a SOMALI married to his eldest sister whilst the entirety of one of the three divisions of his army was Somali with another being of mixed origins consisting of elite warriors where there are clearly Somali names. The other division was populated by Harlas, a group of contested origins (claim they were Xabashi all you like) and led by the chieftain of the "Zarba" tribe who is the Imam's maternal cousin and all we know of this tribe is that, for whatever reason, they are at one point mentioned amongst the Somali tribes summoned to Harar for the Jihad in a section specifically titled that:

[The Somali tribes reach Harar]
The first of the tribes to reach the imam was Habr Maqdi with their lord and
chieftain Ahmad Girri bin Husain, the Somali. They encampcd in a placc called
Qasa in the heights above the valley of Harar. They showed off their equipment
and their weapons, and paraded their horses. They were anights, and what knights!
And they were foot-soldiers; and what foot- soldiers! The imam rejoiced at their

arrival exceedingly. They met the imam :ace to face, and he welcomed them with
the warmest of welcomes. He gave them gifts of apparel, and provisions, and
treated them graciously, garbing Their chieftain, Ahmad Girri, in particularly
exquisite clothing.
After them it w'as the tribe of Girri who came up. Their chieftain was Mattanl6>
bin ‘Utman bin Kaled, the Somali. They showed off their weaponry .ind armour,
paraded their horses and had their bows slung sash-like over their
shoulders as they met the imam face to facc. He commanded them then to go ahead
to a place callcd Sim. Their chieftain had brought with him his wife, Fardusa, the
sister of the imam Ahmad. And he set out ahead, he and his army.
Then the tribe of Zarba166 came up after them. Their chieftain was the sultan
Muhammad,16 son of the paternal aunt of the imam. With him were one-thousand-
and-sixty notable infantry, and forty knights. The imam made them welcome and

showed them his favour. He [sultan Muhammad] resided at Harar. The imam was
exceedingly delighted at this and gave thanks to the Most High God.
The army camped around the city, with cach tribe being kept apart from the
others. The tribe of the Marraihan was, however, wavering. Their chieftain was a
man fond of intrigue and procrastination. Extremely wily, he loved double-dealing
and swindles. The imam organised some of his soldiers and went to the Marraihan
and confronted Hirabu and his tribe and said to him, ‘Why are you lagging behind
in coming on the jihad V Hirabu complained about his plight, and excused himself
on the grounds of his poverty-stricken state.
The imam accepted his excuse, and then said to him, LBut no good will come to
you from just wishing [that things will improve]’.I6K Thereupon Hirabu appointed
[f’14] his nephew to command the Marraihan and they rallied around the imam -
ninety cavalry and more than seven-hundred foot- soldiers - with Hirabu bringing
up the rear. The imam went back to his city of Harar, taking the tribe of Marraihan
with him.
Thereupon the imam made preparations for Abyssinia, for the jihad for the sake
of the Most High God. The imam equipped his soldiers and his army and all the
tribes. He sold the gold and silver jewellery of his wives, and the furnishings of his
house in order to provide the tribes and the soldiers with weapons of war, keeping
nothing back for himself - may God forgive him, for
he hoped only for the reward held out by the Most High God, the Gracious One,
and sought from God that he might make him dwell in the paradise of delights, and
bless him with the hour/s with the intensely white and deep black eyes, and enfold
him in His never-ending Favour.

And that conflict he had with some Somalis is just that, some Somalis. Most of the tribes, like that of his right-hand were loyal to him for the most part though, toward the end of the war, most of the Muslims were growing tired of his Jihad as they mostly just wanted to be involved in the fighting for plunder.

You would know all of this if you actually read the book or were not a liar:





What's hilarious is that all the groups you guys love to go on about like Argobbas and Hararis are never ONCE mentioned in the Futuh. Not even one time. Not once, saaxiib. Somalis are comparatively mentioned at least 70 times. The only people fighting on the side of the Muslims in any real bulk were Somalis and Harlas and the Harlas, whatever they truly were, don't display any particular political importance. Not one of them seems to be mentioned to be within the Imam's inner circle, not one of them seems to be married into his family and they are even led by a tribe separate from them that seems to possibly be Somali, the Zarba. They are also only mentioned in the book 11 times.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

We have to flex our muscles

Coming out of hamzza?
Adal was undoubtedly somali then

 

[Hamzza]

Coming out of hamzza?
Adal was undoubtedly somali thenView attachment 281207

It was definitely not Ethiopian

 

[Hamzza]

Inferiority complex what can i say. I've read through the post and found this habashi lurker who lurks here on sspot. He seems to have something against @Arma for whatever reason.

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Something is telling me a Somali is behind that account a cuck like @Lebron James

 

[Shimbiris]

That theory was dismissed and refuted. Most historical sources suggest Imam Ahmed was harari. His elite force called malasay was mostly comprised of harari infantry. What you presented does not qualify as a scholarly or academic source. It was an opinion held by one scholar but was refuted. Learn the difference between a theory and opinion. Are you serious? Imam Ahmed was not a hawiye based in Ethiopia . What was his subclan?

Hararis are never mentioned in the Futuh. Not even one time. Not even the variations of their ethnic name Xabashis use, which I forget now, pop up. Argobbas never get mentioned either. Abyssinians/Xabashis get mentioned plenty on the opposing side but none of the southern Ethiosemitic groups you guys like to tout get mentioned. Pretty embarassing, honestly.

Harlas get mentioned, sure, like I said. But they're never mentioned as being all that important beyond being granted a presence as the majority of one of the three divisions of the army. In terms of high positions a Harla never seems to come up. And it's contested what they are, honestly. They may very well have been some strange Somaloid group similar to the Rahanweyn who just spoke their own unique Somaloid language based on the work of Cerulli and all the tribal genealogies we have for them from other scholars nowadays. But even if we leap and assume they were "Hararis" cos of the "Har" in both names (kek) it means very little for your case when they seem politically so much more insignificant than Somalis.

Finally, nice blatant lie there. We are told what the Malassai are in the book and it's not "Harari infantry" mister fanfiction author:

The imam split his forces into three divisions: all the Somalis were in one
division whose command he entrusted to Mattan; another division was made up of
the [tribe of] Harla whose command he gave to the sultan Muhammad, son of the
imam’s maternal aunt; and the other division was made up of the Malasai. a people
used to incursions and to a thorough-going jihad upon whom he could rely in
battle: heroic leaders, over whom was the imam, who ordered them to stand
resolute"'4so that they never became disunited.:r"At the time when the Muslims deserted, seeking their own country, these stood firm,"'

They're elite fighters of no particular ethnic background by the looks of it. His own personal force. Later you see names mentioned among them and you can even see an obvious Somali name like "Absame" ("Absama"):

The chiefs of the cavalry were from the Malasai contingent of the mujahiduir.
the emir Mujahid Suha, Absama Nur, Garad Sama‘un, Garad Barhan, Balaw
'Abd,lfi' 4Alus l8N bin al-Hcgano, Aiyub and Kaled al-Waradl: this latter was their
guide along the route. They were all drawn from the courageous heroes of the
cavalry and foot-soldicrs.

And another contingent of them are converts:

They were all drawn from the courageous heroes of the
cavalry and foot-soldicrs. Kaled wr
as their guarantee [as guide]1 s 1 and he likewise
was from the number of knights well-known for courage: al-Ura‘i Nur Qata bin
‘Umar, brother-in-law of Garad Mahfuz; Farasaham ‘Utman Yemaj;190 Amajad
Ahmad bin al-Husain; Sar Abu Bakr; Muminat Abu Bakr; Del Sagad, the knight of
Sim; sum Waradai; hegano cUtman Waradai:1 M all of these were converts to Islam.
Their conversion was
sincere, and they fought a fine jihad for God.

Clearly just a diverse set of elite fighters. One of these guys, the Knight of Sim, is compared to one hundred knights in terms of his worth in battle. Nothing at all about being Hararis, though. Just a blatant lie. Do you not think people will just check these documents?

 

[Step a side]

That theory was dismissed and refuted. Most historical sources suggest Imam Ahmed was harari. His elite force called malasay was mostly comprised of harari infantry. What you presented does not qualify as a scholarly or academic source. It was an opinion held by one scholar but was refuted. Learn the difference between a theory and opinion. Are you serious? Imam Ahmed was not a hawiye based in Ethiopia . What was his subclan?

Harari ethnicity doesn’t exist . It’s an amalgamation of different ethnic groups and cultures. The city was a small Somali settlement that would later on grow into what it is today. The oldest section of Harar is “Gidir Magala”. Its the part that was designated a “UNESCO world heritage status”. It’s a Gidir Karanle settlement hence the name. Even all around it you have medieval villages and districts with the name “Hawiye”. Ali Keno is related to Hawiye as well. This can’t be a coincidence. You Hararis were settled in Harar.

Somalis always spearheaded anything done in Harar and were there in 1856 before the Ottomans/Egyptians and Menelik. After the wars Somalis left the town or changed identity.

You have nothing to do with the Harla. The Harla were Somali or closely related to them. The lines between these two groups is really blurry. Somalis under the Harla kingdom were called Harla & the rest Somalis. The name was not based on blood lineage but on geographical area & association. Things realigned after the fall of Harla.There is also possibility that some tribes didn’t take the Somali name by then. Other Karanle tribes mentioned as Harla include Waragh/Wargarh. There’s also Gasare which a sub clan of Galjecel. Some tribe names added el, le, etc at the end. There’s old Z which changed to D as well.

The imam’s mother was Harla. The Harla kingdom and Hobat kingdom were neighbours. Even king Amde Seyon mentioned the Harla & Hobat leaders separately when they came to him. Both these states were allied with Ifat.

Hobat today is at erer yarey near baabili. It’s where the old Hawiye use to crown their Garads that later produced the line of Ahmed Gurey and other Hawiye lineages. Hobat the birth place of Imam Ahmed is still occupied by the Karanle. Sim & Za'kah towns where the Imam used to hide himself from Abu Baker are still inhabited by Karanle. Zerba is a Karanle sub clan. The Ethiopians and Oromo admit that “academically” imam Ahmed’s identity is settled as a Somali from the Karanle Hawiye clan. There is the reference from Futuh, Manfred Kropp’s book, Ahmed Ali Shami & Mekuria’s book, Behanu Kemal’s book, Afar historical dictionary, Imam’s Abtirsi, the geography of Harar, etc. Also Awsa chronicles as we as Leyla Sabaq of Syria in her Mawsu book.

Garaads were appointed by Adal Amirs like Gragns forefathers his dad and uncle Cadaash and 3 nephews Talxa Abbas and Maxamad Gasa. The Karanle family literally led in 3 occasions the Adal sultanate and the later breakaway harar emirate and awssa imamate (eritrea before being usurped by afar)


Awsa chronicles mention imam mohamed gasa hes a distant nephew of gragne seen in mekurias lineage tree, he founded awsa sultanate the precursor to modern day afar mudayto imamate.

Awsa was founded after gragn was killed and his brothers and sons after wasiir cabaas left harar to form a state in aussa modern day afar region in eritrea and ethiopia, by the 18th century they got swallowed by afar dynasties that even took hold of zaila at one point whilst they allowed hawiye to remain as judges in zeila until the pro british ottomans brought an isaaq to lead as sultan

I believe the Hawiye Harari guy that Burton met was a descendant of the earlier Harar/Awssa Karanle rulers, it explains why they held a dynasty of judges in a town that was clearly surrounded by Gadabursi, Essa and Isaaq in the 19th century

There is a guy I knew who meet the descandants of Garaad Abun Cadeshe in Funyan Bira some time back and he told me about their opinion on all the claims on their forefathers and they reliped he was the hero of all the Somalis, Habesha Muslims and muslims in general in the area so we are okay with as long as they claim him as their own because he was fighting for all of them under the same flag.. that was quite powerful and noble answer which surprised the guy. He also meet quite few Reer Naaji Ahmed in Harar and all of their territory is inside proper ethiopia meaning not in Somali region. Majority of them live in Harar. Fun fact Harar was their capital for centuries.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Harari ethnicity doesn’t exist . It’s an amalgamation of different ethnic groups and cultures. The city was a small Somali settlement that would later on grow into what it is today. The oldest section of Harar is “Gidir Magala”. Its the part that was designated a “UNESCO world heritage status”. It’s a Gidir Karanle settlement hence the name. Even all around it you have medieval villages and districts with the name “Hawiye”. Ali Keno is related to Hawiye as well. This can’t be a coincidence. You Hararis were settled in Harar.
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Somalis always spearheaded anything done in Harar and were there in 1856 before the Ottomans/Egyptians and Menelik. After the wars Somalis left the town or changed identity.
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You have nothing to do with the Harla. The Harla were Somali or closely related to them. The lines between these two groups is really blurry. Somalis under the Harla kingdom were called Harla & the rest Somalis. The name was not based on blood lineage but on geographical area & association. Things realigned after the fall of Harla.There is also possibility that some tribes didn’t take the Somali name by then. Other Karanle tribes mentioned as Harla include Waragh/Wargarh. There’s also Gasare which a sub clan of Galjecel. Some tribe names added el, le, etc at the end. There’s old Z which changed to D as well.

View attachment 281219The imam’s mother was Harla. The Harla kingdom and Hobat kingdom were neighbours. Even king Amde Seyon mentioned the Harla & Hobat leaders separately when they came to him. Both these states were allied with Ifat.

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Hobat today is at erer yarey near baabili. It’s where the old Hawiye use to crown their Garads that later produced the line of Ahmed Gurey and other Hawiye lineages. Hobat the birth place of Imam Ahmed is still occupied by the Karanle. Sim & Za'kah towns where the Imam used to hide himself from Abu Baker are still inhabited by Karanle. Zerba is a Karanle sub clan. The Ethiopians and Oromo admit that “academically” imam Ahmed’s identity is settled as a Somali from the Karanle Hawiye clan. There is the reference from Futuh, Manfred Kropp’s book, Ahmed Ali Shami & Mekuria’s book, Behanu Kemal’s book, Afar historical dictionary, Imam’s Abtirsi, the geography of Harar, etc. Also Awsa chronicles as we as Leyla Sabaq of Syria in her Mawsu book.

Garaads were appointed by Adal Amirs like Gragns forefathers his dad and uncle Cadaash and 3 nephews Talxa Abbas and Maxamad Gasa. The Karanle family literally led in 3 occasions the Adal sultanate and the later breakaway harar emirate and awssa imamate (eritrea before being usurped by afar)


Awsa chronicles mention imam mohamed gasa hes a distant nephew of gragne seen in mekurias lineage tree, he founded awsa sultanate the precursor to modern day afar mudayto imamate.

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Awsa was founded after gragn was killed and his brothers and sons after wasiir cabaas left harar to form a state in aussa modern day afar region in eritrea and ethiopia, by the 18th century they got swallowed by afar dynasties that even took hold of zaila at one point whilst they allowed hawiye to remain as judges in zeila until the pro british ottomans brought an isaaq to lead as sultan

I believe the Hawiye Harari guy that Burton met was a descendant of the earlier Harar/Awssa Karanle rulers, it explains why they held a dynasty of judges in a town that was clearly surrounded by Gadabursi, Essa and Isaaq in the 19th century

There is a guy I knew who meet the descandants of Garaad Abun Cadeshe in Funyan Bira some time back and he told me about their opinion on all the claims on their forefathers and they reliped he was the hero of all the Somalis, Habesha Muslims and muslims in general in the area so we are okay with as long as they claim him as their own because he was fighting for all of them under the same flag.. that was quite powerful and noble answer which surprised the guy. He also meet quite few Reer Naaji Ahmed in Harar and all of their territory is inside proper ethiopia meaning not in Somali region. Majority of them live in Harar. Fun fact Harar was their capital for centuries.

Balaw aren't somalis
They were literally pagans in the time of the futuh
Here in the futuh

The imam forces were capturing and killing them for straight 6 days (bro was a menace)

The imam wasn't from them either, he wouldn't slaughter his own people.
Or are they 2 separated Balaws?

But yeah harla are probably Somalis that were assimilated.

From this, they spoke somali and their own geological traditions says that they're of somali descent

 

[Khaem]

Somalis had nothing to do with the establishment of the ifat or adal sultanate. Those two kingdoms were founded by ethio-semitic Muslims based in Ethiopia. The ruiling class of the Adal/Ifat sultanate hailed from harar. Somalis love to make outrageous claims without providing credible, scholarly or academic sources. You guys are doing excatly what you claim Ethiopians are allegedly doing. Imam Ahmed ibn ibrahim al ghazi was Harari born in Hubat. Every battle between the Adal and Solomonic dynasty took place in Ethiopia. The Adal and Solomonic conflicts was between Muslim and Christian ethio-semeties. I cringe when Somalis involve themselves in the Adal/Solomonic wars. I don't see any Muslims from Ethiopia do this.

Zelia is Somali. The capital of early Adal and Ifat.

 

[zeila2wajir]

These Ethiopians will re continue to claim all of Somalia if we don't stop them.

 

[Khaem]

These Ethiopians will re continue to claim all of Somalia if we don't stop them.

We need to create a functional somali state and have a section of government that handles our global image as a people and controls the narrative. I'm sick of these damn foreigners